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According to the sandard definition, Holocaust denial includes "minimizing essential facts" related to this genocide. Mr Buchanan denied that Treblinka was an extermination camp with gas chambers where almost a million people were killed. Is there any REASONABLE objection by FreeKnowledgeCreator or any other user (supported by Wikipedia's policy) to challenge the fact that Buchanan said that or that saying such a thing constitutes Holocaust denial? I'll wait before restoring the categories.--Angelsi 1989 (talk) 13:55, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to persuade other editors that you are reasonable, then do not write in capital letters, as you did above. It is the equivalent of shouting, and it is not welcome. You apparently do not have very much experience with Wikipedia. I, however, do. I can confidently tell you that you will be blocked if you persist in restoring categories asserting that someone is a Holocaust denier or anti-Semite unless there is consensus that the categories are appropriate and do not violate WP:BLP. Establishing such a consensus is entirely your responsibility. You might try either a request for comment here, or a discussion at WP:BLPN. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:29, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, it seems that 4 years down the road, FKC is still defending Buchanan against well-sourced and well-founded claims of Holocaust denial. I support the addition of the category. Elizium23 (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am insisting on upholding the policy on material about living people, and it is perfectly reasonable for me to do that. I didn't suggest that Buchanan either is or isn't a Holocaust denier. I am simply noting that for a potentially controversial category identifying someone as a Holocaust denier, we do need clear editor consensus in support of it, as well reliable sources that establish that the person is uncontroversially considered a Holocaust denier. Freeknowledgecreator (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you object so strongly to the category, why do you allow the heading to remain? Elizium23 (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out the problem. I left the former heading in place only because my attention has been focused elsewhere than on this article. I've just changed it to something more neutral. Freeknowledgecreator (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hole in our coverage[edit]

It seems that Pat Buchanan has a long history of anti-semitism, see (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/04/29/pat-buchanan-pens-exclusive-anti-semitic-publication). And that there is renewed news coverage of this due to Donald Trump tweeting a column of his that endorsed a variant of the "white genocide" conspiracy theory popular in white nationalist/white supremacist circles (https://www.vox.com/2019/1/14/18181897/trump-pat-buchanan-column-tweet). I think this should be covered in the article in some way but it seems to be entirely absent. 73.76.213.67 (talk) 13:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A materially false suggestion should not be left standing[edit]

Amid a long list of bad and/or false things Buchanan is asserted (correctly, AFAIK) to have said, there is one that should be omitted: "He claimed Demjanjuk was the victim of mistaken identity" [as "Ivan the Terrible"]. In the context, this very strongly implies that Demjanjuk was Ivan the terrible. It turned out that he was not; he was a victim, as Buchanan said, of mistaken identity (though subsequently convicted of lesser crimes). I inserted a correction and someone reverted it. If anyone thinks it should not be re-reverted, the matter should be discussed here. Longitude2 (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]