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Bartolomeu Dias

bartholomew dais is how his name is spelled not bartholomeu dias {anon 1}

Bartolomeu Dias is the correct and proper spelling...{anon 2}

The original spelling is Bartolomeu Dias. The anglicized version is Bartholomew Diaz. --XX7 12:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

u know that if ya'll argue about it some more, the name might totally change completely, i likewise am doing a project but there's no need in starting WWIX on here about the name (which can be spelt either way...

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Hey guys i have a project due on this guy and a whole bunch of other explorers and where they travled on a map! and i can't seem to find any thing on here that shows where he traveled on a actual map! I need more information! 69.22.87.71 01:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)Samantha[reply]

well if you go to either google or yahoo and tipe in dias's exploration route then you should get what your looking for—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.100.20.210 (talk • contribs) .

"the first European known to do so since ancient times"

The above line in the first paragraph needs at least some form of explanation, and preferably a link. I had always thought that Dias was the first person to sail from Europe all the way around the Cape, adn I doubt that I'm alone. --Dantheox 21:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Herodotus reported that a Phoenician expedition working for the Pharaoh Necho sailed around Africa sometime around 600 B.C.; the veracity of the claim has been hotly debated. Pirate Dan (talk) 01:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Phoenicians were not from Europe, but from Phoenicia, basically modern day Lebanon. The Ogre (talk) 13:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

--== Spelling Issues == His name can be spelled "Bartolomeu Dias" or "Bartholomew Diaz"; both ways are fine.{anon}

no you cant or if you look it up it wont pop up it will say did you mean bartolomeu dias —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.100.20.210 (talk • contribs) .

The opinion from another reader: There's nothing wrong in anglicizing well known names of persons and places. Lisbon in Portuguese is Lisboa, London in Portuguese is Londres. I just think it is wrong to anglicize a Portuguese name by using a third language such as Spanish. Dias is a common Portuguese surname, equivalent to the Spanish Diaz. You, English speaking people, should either keep the Portuguese spelling, or use the English pronunciation system for the word: something like Bartholomeu Deeash?

You do not Anglicize those Dutch names containing the word Van by using the German Von, don't you? Another example: In Ukraine, common place names such as Kyiv are used in English as Kiev, which is the Russian word. Because the official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian, not Russian, Ukrainians are urging that Kiev should be spelled in English Kyiv instead of Kiev, and the English are beginning to accept that. So, please do the same to Portuguese names wrongly anglicized by using Spanish words.

Bartholomeu DIAS, not Diaz

TRISTAO da Cunha, not Tristan

FERNAO de MAGALHAES, not Ferdinand Magellan (this can be however accepted as Magalhaes, albeit Portuguese, became famous by serving Spain)

Antonio GUTERRES, not Gutierrez

Catherine of BRAGANCA (or Catherine of BRAGANSA, for the Portuguese Catarina de Bragança), not Catherine of Braganza

How do you pronounce his name?

Bartolomeu Dias died in the mega-storm on the same waters and shores of the Cape and of South Africa wich he had discovered 12 years before, in 1500, when Cabral`s fleet crossed the Cape of Good Hope and Southern African seas.

He discoveed South Africa - Diogo Cão had explored-discovered southwards at Namibia´s shores - Discovery for Eurasian and North African point of view, not for Native People point of view. Its a classical portuguese word and than spanish, dutch, english, french etc. for these deeds.

Bartolomeu was one of the influente Captains(and Pilot) in the fleet of 1500 and he was one of the oficial Discoverers of Brazil in 22 Aril 1500(Historical and documented event) with Pedro Álvares Cabral as Principal Captain.

Bartolomeu Dias discovered the connection between Atlantic and Indian Oceans (two Oceans) - Bartolomeu Dias discovered South Africa and Brazil - its History - two very important Nations today and tomorrow. His explorations and discoveries were central to modern Globalization.

- And maybe before, from 1487 to 1498, when he explored west Atlantic misterious waters with Pacheco Pereira also, in order to prepare Vasco da Gama and Pedro Álvares Cabral´s important voyages wich both had follow alisian winds and chains in west Atlantic near Brasil in order to avoid contrary chains wich Bartolomeu Dias had faced in 1488 southwards along the African coast (Very Important also in west Atlantic explorations) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.210.86 (talk) 15:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did Bartholomeu Dias's exploration around the Cape of Good Hope influence the native people?72.69.70.40 (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found the answer in google.(It had a link to the source I originally used, which is the "Original internet source" shown below.) I then answered my question on wiki answers. If anyone is interested, here is the answer: Yes. He originally named it the "Cape of Storms". It was later renamed the "Cape of Good Hope" by King John II of Portugal. Original internet source: Wikipedia: Bartolomeu Dias Here is a link to this answer in wiki answers: wiki answers: answer 72.69.70.162 (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to reply, I will probably not see it, because I am now leaving this website and I will do the rest of my homework. I did not have school since Friday, but right now, the news says that we have a 2 hour delay tomorrow, so I need to finish my homework. I was only on this website to research this question. 72.69.70.162 (talk) 00:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

João Afonso de Aveiro (or Afonso de Paiva)

About: Another purpose of the expedition was to try to revisit the countries reported by João Afonso de Aveiro (probably Ethiopia and Aden) with which the Portuguese desired friendly relations.

João Afonso de Aveiro (or Afonso de Paiva) left Portugal in May 1487 on a mission to the Indies and Ethiopia, together with Pêro da Covilhã. Diaz left only a few months later, so the purpose of his expedition cannot be a revisit of countries reported by João Afonso de Aveiro, especially as Aveiro died 2 years later before he could report anything. Pêro da Covilhã is a more interesting connection to Diaz' story. Both are part of a connected Portuguese plan to find the Indies. Pêro da Covilhã travelled the East African coast as far south as Sofala and Madagascar (within 2500 km of Diaz' farthest point in South Africa). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.212.244.53 (talk) 10:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, and the information was uncited. I've deleted it. Pirate Dan (talk) 13:19, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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sixteen months should be changed to six months, if you look at the logic. BlademanZX (talk) 20:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The Catholic Encyclopedia states that the absence was 16 months and 17 days. The Wikipedia article is a bit vague about the departure date, but it was certainly in 1487, and they returned in December 1488, making for an absence of more than a year. Favonian (talk) 13:18, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

astrolabe[edit]

– — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.2.85 (talk) 03:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why , was vartolomeo sentence when he arrived in the guinea golf[edit]

WhyCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.79.86.46 (talk) 20:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

help!!!!!![edit]

when was bartolomeu dias born and where? thanks!

Using the map of Cabral's Voyage on this page[edit]

What am I missing? This page is about Bartolomeu Dias, the map is about Cabral's voyage and there are pages on Cabral and his voyages, which mention that Dias was part of that expedition. So, there is no justification for including the map here, not to mention possibility of users scanning the page without reading in detail and getting the wrong idea of what the map is about. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 12:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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First navigator in HISTORY to round the Cape of good hope[edit]

He was not just the first European to round the Cape of Good Hope, but the first navigator, period. The notion that the Phoenicians might have done it before is completely unsubstantiated and there is no hard evidence for it. Not only didn't they possess the capable ships for such long voyages, it would have been impossible to do so in a single voyage without proper knowledge of the winds and currents. It took the Portuguese more than 50 years with the best naval technology available up to that point in history to be able to do so, so it is highly unlikely that someone would have succeeded in a single try 2000 years before, it is nonsensical. 81.84.171.239 (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brazil?[edit]

It says "This flotilla was the first to reach Brazil" which can't be right? 188.154.5.233 (talk) 20:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]