Talk:Louis Moreau Gottschalk

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I realize there's no universally accepted definition of "creole," but I'm not sure there's any such thing as a "white Creole Haitian." --Michael K. Smith 19:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

White creole Haitian essentially means French in this case. Her family were French nobility out of France post the French Revolution, and out of Haiti after a slave revolt. They were upper class, in old-fashioned language. As were his father's family, which I have seen more accurately described as English, of a line of Spanish Jews (because that's basically what they were). To call them Jewish is a bit misleading. Siegfried Sassoon for example is considered English. The impression might be gathered from the article that there's a very contemporary ethnic vibe to this composer's background. This is understandable, but it is High School gloss. Actually his father was a slave-owner, for example Hakluyt bean 13:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

American / Latin American[edit]

I think the assessment of Gottschalk as a great American composer is perfectly fine, but musically he rather more addressed himself to Latin America and was considerably influential there, for example in Cuba. Part of the reason I imagine why he's a neglected figure in the English-speaking world. Hakluyt bean 13:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image of Gottschalk Edition[edit]

The statment that this edition is from 1864 is incorrect. The copyright for The Dying Poet is 1864, but that's not the first edition of it. That can be seen from the list of works found there. Suggest that the caption on the image be changed to "Louis Moreau Gottschalk pictured on a later edition of The Dying Poet for piano (originally published in 1864)". Or something like that. My guess is that it's a post-1900 edition, but that's just a gut feeling. Ditson's first edition of this piece did not have the portrait on it (I have that first edition in front of me). Perhaps someone could check Doyle and find out the publication date of this particular edition. Dfenton 23:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List Of Compositions[edit]

Why doesn't Gottschalk have one? Can someone start one? (I would, but i don't know shit about starting one). I would be happy to then finish it.

Oh yeah, and i'd also like to make more seperate articles of his pieces after that. GOTTSCHALK ROCKS!!!

Robbiethemann 06:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gottschalk's French page includes a lengthy list of his compositions. Should a person's encyclopedia entry contain such a list of works? What is Wikipedia policy?

DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 05:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be very helpful if there were a list. That is why I consulted this article. Fortuntaley I can cope with the French. IXIA (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of Death[edit]

Just what killed Louis Moreau Gottschalk, anyway?

  • According to his English page:

...During one of these concerts, in Rio de Janeiro on November 24, 1869, he collapsed from having contracted malaria...

Gottschalk never recovered from the collapse. Three weeks later, on December 18, 1869, at the age of 40, he died at his hotel in Tijuca, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, probably from an overdose of quinine...

...He died, 18 December 1869, in a Tijuca hotel, near Rio de Janeiro, probably of appendicitis and the consequences of treatments of the time for syphilis...

...He was in Rio De Janeiro for a while, playing in the Teatro Lírico Fluminense, when he fell ill, a victim of appendicitis, 24 November 1869… His doctor recommended he spend some time at a hotel in the heights of Tijuca (now Boa Vista Heights). There he was for about three weeks before dying in his hotel room.

Does anybody have access to a biography of this great composer/musician, or to contemporary reports of his death?

DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 05:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

I've always heard it as "gotts-chawk", but I suspect it was at some stage "gott-shalk". Do we know how Louis himself said his name? -- JackofOz (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello John, good to read from you. Gottschalk is a German name. But Gottschalk himself was a native French speaker because in he grew up in the then French speaking New Orleans. He spoke English all his life with an accent and preferred French anyway. A Frenchman would pronounce “Gottschalk” as “Godds’alk”. Native English speakers would say: “Godschaalk”. He usually called himself “Moreau”, and this was also how he was called by his family. He was, expect by strangers, never called “Louis”. Please have a look at the Camille-Marie Stamaty page which I completely rewrote. Stamaty was Gottschalk’s piano teacher and thus an important influence on him. Thomas W. Jefferson 08:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

What's this "John" business! Nobody is ever permitted to call me John (I grudgingly tolerate it only from my mother). Also, please sign your posts with 4 tildes, rather than writing it out each time. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 21:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After signing with 4 tildes I get: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas W. Jefferson (talk • contribs) 23:14, 2 January 2010 (UTC) Try once more!--Thomas W. Jefferson 23:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you typing the four tildes, THEN typing your name? That's what I do, and it works for me. 140.147.236.194 (talk) 18:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza[reply]

Sorry about the John business. I'll repent and sign--Thomas W. Jefferson 23:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC).

French Works List - changes to links[edit]

User Melodia: Plase let's keep the French works list there. The fellow who put it there today used the wrong link, but I repaired it. No big deal! Yes, it is in French, but it is comprehensive, very detailed and it gives you a lot of information - even if you don't speak French; many of the books cited are in English anyway.Thomas W. Jefferson (talk) 17:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The earlier one was to the French Wikipedia, which should never be linked under ELs. The one you added is ALREADY linked, just not directly to the works list, so I'm proceeding to remove it too. Now I certainly have nothing against the Frenchness of it, and in fact used both the Fr WP and the other site in preparing my own personal list, but....guidelines and all. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 19:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
User Melodia: Melodia, please do not hector other people on guidelines. You have deleted useful links on the Gottschalk page today twice within hours. There is no reason for this behavior. I reinstated the link, now to the English works list. As long as there is no English work list on an English Wiki site, there is no reason why an English site should not link to a French site that has very useful material on Gottschalk IN ENGLISH. If you delete this link one more time I will flag your actions as vandalism. You are most welcome to make useful and positive contributions to the Gottschalk article.Thomas W. Jefferson (talk) 20:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but your faith is misplaced. I'm just trying to keep the page from being over loaded with redundancies. The first link wasn't even working, the second one, as I say right above, was redundant -- and what you put in still is (though I won't remove it, to prevent an edit war). Trying to dictate what anyone elase can and can't do like that is quite against WP's policies (check out WP:OWN). And yes, I've researched Gottschalk a LOT (read both Doyle and the Bio-Biliography, as well as all the pages linked from here), certainly more than you seem to think I have. I agree that a works list here in English would be the best method. But right now just because there's no such list doesn't mean the EL section should be overloaded. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 21:09, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I see your point – overloading. Well, this can happen. But maybe we can agree on this (you already did): We let the English list from the French page in there until someone comes up with a really nice, complete and well formatted list (like the one on the Richard Strauss page). Anyway, I didn't mean it in a bad way, OK?! May I ask: “Doyle”? Is that a new book on LMG? Cheers, Thomas W. Jefferson (talk) 21:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ISBN 0899900151 -- It mainly deals with published works, though also lists manuscripts. So it misses a LOT of the lost and other unpublished stuff, but still is very helpful, and the bio-bibliopgraphy by Perone lists Doyle's numbers along with Offergold's. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 21:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of the name[edit]

It would be great if someone would add the correct pronunciation of Gottschalk's name (using IPA) in the lead section. huji—TALK 11:23, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recordings: would a list be helpful?[edit]

I'm thinking particularly of those recordings already singled out by the Wikipedia article, pioneering ones which were important in re-establishing Gottschalk's reputation. (A complete list of all recordings of Gottschalk's music is out of the question. There are too many!) I've checked the discography at louismoreaugottschalk.com and it is woefully incomplete even restricting one's interest to those pioneering recordings.

Even just listing the CD issues of those recordings would be useful. We can leave the documentation of LP issues to the real fanatics, although my stash of old Schwann catalogs probably includes them.

If such a listing would be useful, would a summary of what's included on each also be helpful?

Concern: Wikipedia has a policy against "original research", but simply documenting recordings already mentioned in the body of the article seems to me to be on a par with providing references to the web or to printed matter.

Floozybackloves (talk) 21:52, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly sourced and historically inaccurate[edit]

Without causing too much upset or offense to prior edits and contributions, this article does not keep with Wikipedia's high standards of notable figures. Especially one as recognized as Gottschalk. As a music historian, I was disappointed to find several inaccuracies included in this article and continual sources referenced time and again. Furthermore, personal opinion should never enter into contributions with any article and it is clear that the section "recordings" is purely based upon them and opens other contributors to edit their own. More importantly, Vernon Loggins' famous biography "Where the Word Ends: the Life of L.M. Gottschalk" isn't even referenced as a source. If no one objects, I would like to take the time and bring this up to Wiki-standards and present it as a more historically accurate article with cited sourced that are reliable with no personal opinion. As this article stands now, it is unreliable and violates Wiki standards. Thank you. maineartists(talk to me) 11:35, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I realize that this post might raise eyebrows as to intention. However, a few examples of corrections and contributions might be of interest. For instance: Gottschalk did not collapse after playing "Morte!" - he actually only played a few bars (12 at most) before collapsing at the piano and falling to the floor. As well, there is no mention of his famously playing "The Union" upon hearing of Abraham Lincoln's death, nor the fact that Gottschalk was Lincoln's favorite musician and specifically requested Gottschalk play "The Union" as an encore whenever he heard the pianist. The introductory tag section does not do justice to the subject nor the article and is misleading in the statement: "He spent most of his working career outside of the United States." Nowhere is it mentioned that upon hearing his playing that Chopin himself called him "The King of Pianists". Both sections "Works" and "Recordings" are lacking in sources and completion; not to mention personal research clearly taken from liner notes from singular albums. These and more important stories from Gottschalk's life will be corrected and included with proper cited sources. If no one objects. Maineartists (talk) 17:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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