Talk:Arkady and Boris Strugatsky

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Shouldn't the name be transliterated as Arkadiy ? From what I've heard Arkadiy is dead, but Boris is still writing. For instance, in 1995 he published In search of fate, or the 27th theorem of ethics. Bartosz 23:21, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Arkady Strugatsky" gives 705 hits on Google, "Arkadiy Strugatsky" only 2. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you are wrong of course.
The article could be a bit clearer on the fact that only one of the brothers is alive. Should we maybe split up the article in two? -- Jniemenmaa 10:16, Aug 16, 2003 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on Cyrylic transliteration--I would go with the more popular spelling.
It would probably make sense to create additional articles for both Arkady and Boris separately. Arkady also had publications without his brother. I've seen Arkady's biography on the Internet, but I haven't seen Boris's. Their biographies, expecially the "miraculous" survival of the blocade of Leningrad by Arkady, are key to understanding some of their writing. I don't know how Boris survived the blocade and I'd love to know. I'm reading Boris's In serach of fate which has some very moving stories from that time.

Bartosz 20:43, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Same?[edit]

Aren't the The Wanderers universe and The World of Noon sections reffering to the same thing? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:15, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Right. They are the same. "Noon Universe" is the most commonly used name among Russian fandom, so I suggest we stick with that. --Strannik 04:53, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Various notes from a Russian guy.[edit]

"Arkadiy" is a more accurate letter-by-letter transcription of Cyrillic spelling (Аркадий). However, "Arkady" spelling is closer to what the name actually sounds like.

It can be argued that "Ponedel'nik nachinaetsya v subbotu" (Monday Begins on Saturday) and it's sequal are indeed part of the Noon Universe/World of Noon/The Wanderers Universe. The official write-up of the said universe (located on the author's official website) makes a reference to an institution that very much resembled the setting of the above-mentioned novels. It's still open to speculation. --Strannik 22:35, 11 Oct 2004


"Arkadiy" is a more accurate letter-by-letter transcription according to the system the Russians tend to use. There are various transliteration systems in use elsewhere: in the Library of Congress system, which tends to be the standard in scholarly publications in the US, the author's name is Arkadii; in the system used in Germany, it is Arkadij. "Arkady" is the conventional use, just as "Dostoevsky" for Dostoevskii/Dostoevskij. 76.199.88.96 (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be has been renamed to Arkady and Boris Strugatsky[edit]

Currently, the article is called Boris and Arkady Strugatsky. But Arkady and Boris Strugatsky is much more common sequence in Russian and not only in Russian, both because Arkady was older than Boris and because of alphabetical order, I presume. I can't rename it because the target article isn't empty; can someone help me please? --Maxxicum 15:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can't rename it because ABS redir has more than one edit... Unless there is a possibility that an admin hears our pleas and deletes the redir, I'd say the best choice would be to simply copy-paste the entire article to ABS, despite the consequences. Needless to say, I support this idea. :) --Koveras 17:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect has been deleted.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  23:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, (aeropagitica). I've cleared some double and triple redirects, but not all yet. Anyone who may help with these redirects, please help. --Maxxicum 00:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography[edit]

It's a bit strange, that From Beyond comes as a short story (imho, a novella), and The Details of Nikita Vorontsov's Life is denoted as a novel (imho, a short story). ellol 18:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not having read either of these, I can't give my own opinion. However, I want to say that I denoted The Details of Nikita Vorontsov's Life as a novel by default - I didn't know what it was, so I just put novel down. Feel free to change that one. Alex Nisnevich 02:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, The Details... is really clever and concise! Sad you've not read it... Dunno if it's a short story or novella. Perhaps, novella? ellol 07:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Over the past month or so, I have compiled a nearly complete Strugatsky bibliography, a version of which can be found in XLS form here. There are many works there that aren't in this article. Question: are all of them appropriate for this article? For instance, there are some screenplays/unpublished stories/encyclopedias/etc. that I'm unsure about. Should all of these be added to this article? Alex Nisnevich 04:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

With caution as far as WP:NOR goes, consider creating a list of Strugatsky's works article where that issue can be discussed in detail.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  04:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I'll consider it. I don't see how this falls under WP:NOR though (WP:NOR#What_is_excluded.3F). Alex Nisnevich 05:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Imho list of Unpublished is of little interest and should go only into a spicialized article like list of Strugatsky's works. Жиды города Питера... definitely deserves to be listed here. We could consider a new section about film versions of Strugatsky books, and include some of screenplays there. ellol 07:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Change Category[edit]

I notice that although the article was renamed recently from "Boris and Arkady" to "Arkady and Boris", the category remains "Boris and Arkady". Do I have permission to more all articles in Category:Boris and Arkady Strugatsky to Category:Arkady and Boris Strugatsky?

This can be done via WP:CFD.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  04:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea! I added the category to CFD, and added a CFD Notice to the top of this talk page. Alex Nisnevich 20:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The category rename has been done. the wub "?!" 12:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I added a bunch of articles to it. Is Yashmaa a surname or a first name? I didn't read The Time Wanderers yet. -- prezzey 19:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yashmaa is the surname of Kornei Yashmaa. Trapolator 06:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, fixed. -- prezzey 14:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prezzey, are you sure it was neccessary to add every article in the Noon Universe cat to the Strugatsky cat? Usually, only the key articles (in this case, only Noon Universe) of a narrow category are added to the broader one. What do the others think? --Koveras ☭ 08:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there are too many. If we pass the 100 mark, it'll definitely be worth considering, but not at this point. This way, all Strugatsky articles can be found in one place... -- prezzey 14:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Short stories[edit]

I'd happily type up short descriptions of the ones I've read, however, do we really need separate articles for each of them? Also, does anyone know if The Gigantic Fluctuation is also present in the English edition of Space Apprentice? prezzey 00:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have 1981 edition of Space Apprentice translated by Bouis. Chapter 10 is titled The Takhmasib. A Gigantic Fluctuation. Puddytang (talk) 19:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Eventually I think each story is notable, but for now perhaps we can describe them in detail on a separate page (Short stories of Strugatsky's?).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be a good compromise --Strannik 07:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Partial OT request[edit]

Would anybody be willing to write article on Russian science fiction (and fantasy?)? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  07:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would contribute to it to the extent of my knowledge, though I'm afraid I'm somewhat lacking the pure academical knowledge... I'm more of a sci-fi reader than a sci-fi scholar. ^^ --Koveras ☭ 09:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strugatsky's Biography Request[edit]

While work and the "Noon universe" is described in too great detail here, biography of Arkady and Boris is completely missing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gasik (talk • contribs) 13:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Comments[edit]

Hey, I found this page from a New York Times comment that it influenced the movie Avatar... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/movies/20avatar.html I wonder why they said this: "(Critics have also said that “Avatar” copied story elements from the movies “Dances With Wolves,” “Pocahontas” and “Ferngully: The Last Rainforest”; the Poul Anderson novella “Call Me Joe”; and the “Noon Universe” book series by the Russian authors Arkady and Boris Strugatsky.)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.22.41.236 (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that some of the statements are quite disputable (probably original research) but thats no reason adding your own opinion on them; like "nonsense!" (within html comment tags). Please use appropriate templates, like {{fact}} --78.59.188.214 (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Birth date Mismatched by someone 20:31, 26 July 2008 155.245.96.52 (Talk) (16,772 bytes) (undo) --217.18.178.163 (talk) 15:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request to rename[edit]

Bios[edit]

I have added brief biographies of the brothers, since there was basically no information in the article on their personal lives. I am not completely happy with the sources I found, but the material sounds plausible. There must be biographies in the 1987 Worldcon program book; someone with access to that could probably make some improvements. Brianyoumans (talk) 15:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ISFDB shows some writing by Boris alone --notes, commentary, afterwords, I see at a glance; no fiction. We should (learn and) say something about the last 21 years of his life. --preferably including whether he did write (mainly outside speculative fiction, if ISFDB is correct) and if not, why not (poor health, jointly retired before Arkady's death). -P64 18:33, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Russian Wikipedia (ru.wikipedia) has longish articles on both brothers ru:Аркадий Натанович Стругацкий (with drawing, no photo) and ru:Борис Натанович Стругацкий (2006 photo we use here) as well as the brothers jointly ru:Братья Стругацкие (1980 joint photo).
Google Translate may help usefullly. For the latter Russian-language article it gives title "The Brothers Strugatsky". --P64 (talk) 18:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Identities[edit]

Footer template {{Authority control}} should be unique and I don't find much for the brothers jointly --only the joint pseudonym S. I͡Aroslavt͡sev as catalogued by the Library of Congress (1 record) and thus WorldCat

WorldCat shows 4 titles, probably 3 russian language and 1 English-lang translation.

The identity templates for Arkady and Boris

belong to the redirects Arkady Strugatsky and Boris Strugatsky, although I understand that we aren't yet ready to go with that.

--P64 (talk) 18:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Daliekaya Raduga[edit]

Why is this short novel outside of the list? It was the first Strugastsky novel i had read as "Cataclismo en Iris" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge Alameda (talk • contribs) 03:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"Soviet-Russian"[edit]

Why are they called Russian when they were actually Jewish? 188.170.77.238 (talk) 13:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    • Since this has just come up again... "Jewish" is not a nationality, it is a religious and/or cultural identity. At the moment, the article doesn't have much information about the brothers' parents, family, and religion. At a glance, I would say "Soviet" or "Soviet Russian" would be a good description of their origins, but I don't know what is in the sources, not being able to read Russian or Ukrainian. What do the sources say? It should be discussed here instead of just arbitrarily changing their nationalities.Brianyoumans (talk) 13:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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