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Boston and Lowell Railroad was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: February 6, 2007.

Untitled[edit]

On first look, this appeared to be a copyvio from http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:jNHg_Y1PzuEJ:www.angelfire.com/jazz/blackrainbow/files/B_L_RES_PAP.doc+%22Their+investors+spent+a+lot+of+money+on+the+Canal&hl=en , but http://osprey.sccs.swarthmore.edu/~cbr/ matches up the author of that paper (Jeff Kaufman) with the 'cbr2702' username, so no copyright paranoia needed here. --SPUI 23:36, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, good. I'll pull the copyvio notice. jdb ❋ 01:42, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Rather amazing how much vestigial writing lies around. This article was adapted from a paper I wrote for a history class, and I had used that account to transfer it.cbr 02:27, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Distances[edit]

Undated map at http://memory.loc.gov/

Southern Division 181 mi
Northern Division 172 mi
White Mountains Division 185 mi
Vermont Division 132 mi
Central Massachusetts Railroad 44 mi

26.76 B&L mainline
6.20 Woburn
.66 Horn Pond
2.37 Stoneham
12.25 Lawrence
16.88 Salem
3.25 Wilmington
9.25 Lexington
7.98 Middlesex Central
7.63 Bedford

total 93.23

14.58 Nashua and Lowell
13.16 Stony Brook
15.43 Wilton
10.50 Peterborough

total 146.9

29.59 Manchester and Keene

total 176.49 - this could be it if trackage rights to Salem are included

GA Re-Review and In-line citations[edit]

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Good Article Review[edit]

This article is currently under Good Article Review. LuciferMorgan 23:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

to those who may have been working on this longer than I have[edit]

Is it alright to create this template and then stick it somewhere on the page? The city subway pages have these, I thought maybe they'd do well out here too.

	Lowell Line

	24.2 mi							Lowell

	20.1 mi							North Billerica

	32.2 mi							Haverhill


	14.6 mi							Wilmington

	11.5 mi							Anderson RTC

	10.5 mi							Mishawum

	06.8 mi							Winchester Center

	06.3 mi							Wedgemere

	04.4 mi							West Medford
	00.0 mi							North Station

shuffdog 08:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think the article's too long already, because it covers both the history of the line as a complete railroad, and its current status as part of the commuter rail. I think a division should be made between articles about the historic line and the current MBTA operation, breaking off the modern MBTA line into a separate article (where your template would fit well), leaving just a small summary here and a link to that article. But that would be quite a change. - DavidWBrooks 15:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the article should be split up between a historical article and a current MBTA operation article and I have tagged it as such. I also love that template. DHimmelspach 00:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Result of the GAR[edit]

Boston and Lowell Railroad[edit]

result:Delist 4-0

Warned 5 weeks ago by me regarding lack of inline citations. Delist. LuciferMorgan 23:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

delist Sumoeagle179 13:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delist, all three of these articles have not improved since they were notified of their status. Teemu08 20:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delist No inline references. M3tal H3ad 08:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the consensus to delist. Diez2 16:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Split[edit]

I agree

I plan to start a History of Lowell, Massachusetts article, and I linked this article into my template stub. The fact that this article is as much about the current MBTA commuter line as the historical line makes it awkward. CSZero 14:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Issues need correcting[edit]

This seems to have been written by someone interested in the topic, but not solid on the facts. I removed an assertion that people were concerned about hazards coming from locomotives during the 1820s. The timeline is incorrect - the very first American locomotives were only coming online in 1829-1830. You can't fear what you've never seen. The lack of citations for statements of fact suggest that the writer had read a book on the subject, but didn't have it in front of him. The lack of dates for events mentioned leaves the reader unsure of the timeline of the development of the company. It's a good start, and bless the person who took the initiative and wrote up the page, but it needs to be cleaned up to be a good article. The entire first section is interesting, but not necessary - the article is about the company, not transportation in early 19th Century Northeastern Massachusetts. You could really boil the whole first section down to a couple of sentences.

MarkinBoston (talk) 00:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Boston and Maine, which gained control of the B&L, was started as the Andover and Wilmington, incorporated March 15, 1833, first service August 8, 1836. After some name changes, it united with the Boston and Maine Rail-road Corpoation, January 1, 1842. The Boston and Maine was started by the Andover and Wilmington directors to have a corporation approved by the legislatures of New Hampshire and Maine. See Chapter 56, Acts and Resolves of Massachusetts, 1841. Victoryjc (talk) 05:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victoryjc (talk • contribs) 05:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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