Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy Zerg
Nancy Zerg was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was merge into Ken Jennings
Nancy Zerg[edit]
Ok, Ken Jennings is notable for his run on Jeopardy!, however the woman who defeated him is not. She was defeated handily in her very next game. Her name should be mentioned on Ken Jennings's page, but she is not notable enough for her own article. Delete. Indrian 04:47, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Merge with Ken Jennings. Gamaliel 04:49, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge. Bart133 04:57, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge. More specifically, as proposed by R. fiend on Talk:Nancy Zerg, redirect to Ken Jennings and modify opening paragraph there to mention Nancy Zerg. Aerion 04:59, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge with Ken Jennings. In the case that anyone does search for her, redirect to Ken Jennings, as well, with a note that he lost to her in the lead section. Mike H 05:17, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Merge. Agree with Aerion's agreeing with R. fiend. -R. fiend 06:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect: By the way, folks, will all those who voted to "keep" Katie Fitzgerald please go back up and reconsider their votes? In particular, those who said that she might hit a long win streak should know that her streak was 3 games. Geogre 15:07, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge Wyss 19:23, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect. Andre (talk) 20:08, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect. akghetto 03:21, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, she's the "giant-killer", isn't she? Isn't that notable? The one who beat Ken Jennings. That must be pretty famous. Everyking 20:45, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Be fair, Everyking, no one is saying "eradicate all mention of her": the votes have all so far been "merge and redirect to Ken Jennings. She's known not as a great winner, but as the woman who won when KJ self-destructed (FedEx? Come on!). Geogre 21:01, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Ken's article is 41 KB long. It doesn't need anything merged into it. Besides, why not have an article on Nancy? She's marginally famous, seen by millions, and there's probably a writeup about her in her hometown paper we could use to expand the article. Everyking 21:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Not much merging is needed, as Zerg's article mostly descrbes the final Jeopardy question and results, information which has already been included in Ken's article twice. Aspects of her personal life are not worthy on inclusion. And yes, the Ken article is long, and could use a bit of trimming; I suggested so on the article's talk page. -R. fiend 00:10, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The kind of trimming it needs to break off notable details into other articles...like this one, as a matter of fact. Everyking 00:48, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Not much merging is needed, as Zerg's article mostly descrbes the final Jeopardy question and results, information which has already been included in Ken's article twice. Aspects of her personal life are not worthy on inclusion. And yes, the Ken article is long, and could use a bit of trimming; I suggested so on the article's talk page. -R. fiend 00:10, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Ken's article is 41 KB long. It doesn't need anything merged into it. Besides, why not have an article on Nancy? She's marginally famous, seen by millions, and there's probably a writeup about her in her hometown paper we could use to expand the article. Everyking 21:20, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Be fair, Everyking, no one is saying "eradicate all mention of her": the votes have all so far been "merge and redirect to Ken Jennings. She's known not as a great winner, but as the woman who won when KJ self-destructed (FedEx? Come on!). Geogre 21:01, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: DCEdwards1966 06:27, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
Keep until we get a chance to trim the Ken Jennings article, then Merge Zerg's information into the Jennings article. --OntarioQuizzer 18:31, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - unless it's also appropriate to get rid of the articles on Buster Douglas, Birdstone, and Charles Guiteau. --Paul 21:55, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could elaborate on how a one-day champion on a gameshow, no matter whom they defeated, is as notable as an upset heavyweight title winner against one of the most feared boxers in history, a surprise Belmont Stakes champion, and the assassin of a United States President? I see the analogy you are trying to draw, but it is a poor one. Each of these people (and horses) became famous (or infamous) in their own right because of what they did. Nancy Zerg is not famous and will be quickly forgotten. Indrian 01:04, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
- The Charles Guiteau thing was a bit of a joke, admittedly, but I really don't see any substantive difference with Buster Douglas, whose career before and after his fight with Mike Tyson was mediocre at best. Nancy Zerg did just what Douglas did: beat a master at the top of his game, against all odds. (If anything, Ken Jennings is more like Mike Tyson plus Joe Louis multiplied by Muhammad Ali, which makes Zerg's accomplishment all the more impressive.) If that makes her a historical footnote, well, that's partly what Wikipedia is for. --Paul 04:26, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could elaborate on how a one-day champion on a gameshow, no matter whom they defeated, is as notable as an upset heavyweight title winner against one of the most feared boxers in history, a surprise Belmont Stakes champion, and the assassin of a United States President? I see the analogy you are trying to draw, but it is a poor one. Each of these people (and horses) became famous (or infamous) in their own right because of what they did. Nancy Zerg is not famous and will be quickly forgotten. Indrian 01:04, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Zerg is notable because Ken Jennings is, that is to say that a champion in something is notable and someone who defeats such a champion is also notable.
--L33tminion | (talk) 23:42, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. What l33tminion said. WTF are you guys smoking? -- Markl222
- Merge with Ken Jennings and redirect. She's not noteworthy apart from being the one to beat Ken. --Carnildo 00:16, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- She's very noteworthy. She got interviews and personality features and crap over the past week. That's notable. -- Markl222 12/8
- And next week? How's her schedule looking then? Showing some condos to a few studio execs? Thought so. Fleeting notability here. I stand by my merge vote. -R. fiend 01:24, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge. Personally I think that if something can be made into a Jeopardy answer, it should be on Wikipedia somewhere. TheProject 03:58, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. As R. fiend said, fleeting notability here -- but that's good enough for me. One of the advantages of Wikipedia-is-not-paper is that we can record notable ephemera, for the benefit of future readers who are curious about something of this sort. JamesMLane 06:57, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge and redirect. A page kept solely on the Wikipedia-is-not-paper principle is likely to be more of a liability than an asset. -- WOT 19:56, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete along with David Hankins. Game show contestants are not intrinsically notable. --Improv 20:09, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Trollminator 02:36, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge with Ken. CryptoDerk 06:14, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep The article seems to be legit and a contestant should have an article on their own [[User:Squash|Squash (Talk)]] 09:59, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep: Zerg is unique in having the gameplay ability and mental control to become victorious where others have conceded defeat.Raazer 22:04, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Keep far surpasses the Bajoran wormhole test, needs expansion. Pedant 22:58, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)
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