Talk:List of films considered the best

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Use of "frac" vs. Unicode ½ vs HTML entity ½[edit]

Hi folks,

I'm sure there's a good reason for this, but why is Fellini's movie 8½ described using 'frac' i.e. with {{frac|8|1|2}} (8+1⁄2)?

This seems to offer little improvement over the actual Unicode 'half' character ('½') which is used in the wikilink anyway. If a user's system doesn't support ½, then it won't be able to open the link to that article – though I suppose in that edge case, you could argue that at least this article might display OK even if the link doesn't work.

If Unicode is a stretch, how about an HTML entity? They've been a W3C recommendation since 1999, so unlikely to cause even the oldest of web-capable devices to break a sweat. That would make the film's title 8½ in the source, which is pretty human-readable if you can't have "8½".

I wouldn't have noticed if 'frac' worked. But on my Mac (running Firefox on Mac OS 11 Big Sur) the text appeared initially as "8 1/2", then after I looked at the source and subsequently cancelled, it started appering as "8+1/2"!

Looks like an issue with Template:Fraction, the Mediawiki codebase, or perhaps something else. The source for Template:Fraction appears to be here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fraction/styles.css

AFI List[edit]

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 – The AFI's "100 greatest movies" polls are currently used in the article Betty Logan (talk)

Any idea why there is no mention of the AFI lists? Generally it's regarded as one of the better lists of top films:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years...100_Movies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whubbard (talk • contribs) 09:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The American Film Institute only considers films from the US. TompaDompa (talk) 11:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a moot point anyway, because those polls are included in the United States section. Betty Logan (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will this ever be more like the book and video game lists?[edit]

Genuinely wondering why we need so much space dedicated to some of the least populous areas of the globe Alena 33 (talk) 09:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why would we make this list like some other random article? As for you second point, Wikipedia is WP:NOTPAPER. Betty Logan (talk) 10:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If anything, List of books considered the best and List of video games considered the best should be more like this list in terms of WP:LISTCRITERIA and so on. TompaDompa (talk) 15:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is say it should be similar for the sake of consistency. 2600:1006:B027:2F3F:B1D1:5F29:FBB4:7B11 (talk) 17:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does this count?[edit]

NEWS SIDEBAR: `The 50 Greatest Jewish Movies’ Espngeek (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish movies are not a recognised genre (although Israel exists, none of them seem Israeli produced). In any case, it is not clear how the list was formulated i.e. is it a proper polled survey or a magazine editorial? Betty Logan (talk) 12:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logan and The Batman[edit]

@TheTechLich: Have either of Logan or The Batman topped any notable polls declaring them the best superhero film? That's the threshold for inclusion here, see the "Basic guidelines for inclusion" above. Whether the films are regarded as among the so-called "greats" is beside the point. TompaDompa (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Several cited sources include polls from audiences. Special:Contributions/TheTechLich (talk) 15:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not all audience polls count towards inclusion on this list of course, but how about you, for starters, remove all the sources that are not polls in which these films have been voted the best and write up descriptions for the entries similar to all the other entries on the list? TompaDompa (talk) 18:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted the addition. I glanced through the sources and could not locate any polls. Happy to reconsider, but I suggest TheTechLich keeps the sourcing explicitly to that which meets the criteria. We have discussed the likes of Rotten Tomatoes before, and the consensus is that it does not constitute a "best film" poll because nobody has actually votes for the "greatest" film. Betty Logan (talk) 21:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case should we not remove this article or repurpose it with something to the effect of "films notable for positive reception"?
seems redundant otherwise. Logan will be included, Batman (2022) will not for now TheTechLich (talk) 10:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you have brought forward for Logan do not meet the criteria. All you need is one reliable sourced poll that has explicitly voted Logan the greatest film. Not one collated from aggregator scores, or in-house periodicals, but an authentic survey of opinion where people have voted Logan the "greatest" superhero film. That is the bar that all of the other entries have met, so exceptions are not going to be made for individual films. If you want to make a case for changing the criteria then by all means do so. If you want to propose a different name for the article then by all means do so. But please stop adding the film sourced to sources that do not fit the inclusion criteria. Betty Logan (talk) 11:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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