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SVG[edit]

Anyone have the flag picture in SVG format? Frap 19:05, 2 January 2006

Anarchist cookbook[edit]

I dont know how much relevance you guy might think this has to the article but "Jolly Rogers" is also the official/unofficial author of the Anarchist Cookbook (hehe which makes perfect sense now since the book is pretty much about scamming, stealing, and just being an all around pirate). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.213.82.112 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 1 June 2008

"Jolly Roger" or "Skull and Crossbones"?[edit]

The article indicates that a Jolly Roger is the pirate flag, and skull and crossbones is the symbol commonly found on it. Which means most of the "sports" examples belong in the latter category unless explicitly depicted on a flag (like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers). If there are no objections, I'm going to start moving those examples to the other article. SixFourThree (talk) 20:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That argument can be made sure, but a Jolly Roger is historically often defined as a "flag featuring the skull and crossbones" or a black such, rather than "pirate flag" in general. It appears in the 1720s, by which time the black skull and bones flag had become the default pirate flag in the new world. By this definition i feel the sports flags can stay, as they most likely got their design from pirae usage, rather than old cavalry flags or danger symbols. This article is, however, full or errors and needs heavy cleanup (Odin gimme strength). The "Historical designs" section is 90% erroneous.--Blockhaj (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To further elaborate on the name; jolly probably refers to the toothy grin of a skull and roger can mean a variety of morbid things, especially for the period, the most notable being the devil. "Jolly Roger" can thus mean something akin to "the devil is coming for you and he is happy about it". Blockhaj (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One Piece source[edit]

The following passage seems to be AI generated and low quality - particularly the part on design variations. Everything has already been said in the section just before it. Furthermore, for some reason, the source it points to [20] is about One Piece. I feel this paragraph should be removed.

"Key elements commonly found on a Jolly Roger flag include: Skull: The skull on the flag represents death and danger, emphasizing the pirates' ruthless and deadly reputation. Crossbones: The crossbones are often positioned behind or beneath the skull and create an "X" shape. They symbolize crossed swords or bones, signifying violence and conflict. Design Variations: While the basic design consists of a skull and crossbones, many pirate crews have personalized their Jolly Roger flags with unique additions or alterations. These variations can include different facial expressions, accessories, or additional symbols." 2A02:C7C:BFA4:400:C508:CE75:4B26:F27F (talk) 02:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.--Blockhaj (talk) 05:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]