Talk:Morse code

Little mistake at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code#Alternative_display_of_common_characters_in_International_Morse_code?

Hello, I think there is one little mistake in this (apart from that in my opinion fantastic, clearly arranged and very helpful) Morse code tree, isn't it? '-.--.' leads to 'Ĥ' and '-.--.-' leads to '(' and ')'. But I think '-.--.' means '(' and '-.--.-' means ')'. At https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Morse_code I found '----' media:CH, Ĥ, Š Morse Code.oga. What do you think? But I don't know how to change it. Thanks in advance for your help. Yours, --2A02:810B:8C3F:EA08:70A3:2ED0:4E9B:732F (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I dug into this a little. It looks like it's not technically incorrect but I agree the diagram should be changed.

Ĥ comes from Esperanto, and the chart on Esperanto Morse Code article says either -•--• or ---- can be used for Ĥ. Another random web page[1] also lists both but notes -•--• is only used sometimes because it conflicts with the bracket '('. Esperanto Wikipedia also points out that Esperanto Radio Amateurs often don't even use any of the extended characters, and use a transcription (Zamenhof method or H-system) instead, where Ĥ is written/sent as "hh".

So, Ĥ is sometimes sent as -•--• but it's only found in a constructed language, where it appears to be the least popular encoding out of three alternatives. —Pengo 23:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Separating extensions from standardized codes

Sourcing for non-latin extensions seems weak, and there is no apparent standard as I understand. In the table of codes we list numerous codes that are not part of the International Morris Code standard, some with the footnote "The character or symbol encoding is not in either ITU-R M.1172 or ITU-R M.1677-1 .", and none referenced. The result is a large table that is confusing and unverifiable.

I propose separating the codes actually in the standard from the rest, and those all need some reference or be removed; there is no way to tell if they are incorrect, as demonstrated by the issue @Pengo points out with the characters ż ⇄ ź Strangerpete (talk) 12:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

While you are about it, I'm in favour of removing all the audio files from the table. These have been a long standing issue making the page slow to load. The reader is not really getting any more information than already in the visual renderings. It's all just more dits and dahs after all. The file of the complete alphabet is enough. SpinningSpark 17:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with that as well, my only concern would be whether it affects vision impaired users, but I really don't know. Strangerpete (talk) 22:53, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@Spinningspark I did a test with my browser (Opera/Chrome) and for me, none of the audio was actually loaded until played. Perhaps the audio player itself is part of the issue? But much of the loaded page size seems to come from all the images, totaling 724kB for the whole page, in particular the VFR map is 166kB alone. I will also admit the audio files overall have more views than I was expecting (1 year- A: 3566, X: 1200) -- do page statistics only count a person visiting the 'File:xxx' page, or also when someone clicks 'play'? Strangerpete (talk) 15:07, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

All those unverifiable codes should be removed from the table. This article is highly likely spreading misinformation.220.100.57.58 (talk) 04:57, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2022

the line for "K" in the table is malformatted, and needs to be fixed 2603:6080:4E00:AA8:5126:E872:C9AD:C77B (talk) 18:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It's unclear what is malformatted in that line of the table. Could you please specify what should be changed in the form "please change X to Y"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fiwec81618 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

"Non-Latin" extensions

These are (mostly) not "non-Latin", they are perfectly normal latin characters not used in English. Is this really what they are called in the wider world? Bagunceiro (talk) 17:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

I have changed to read "Diacritics and non-Latin extensions". I don't speak Morse, so would a more expert editor please review my change, please? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2023

Suggest to change ‘a through z’ to ‘a to z’. Using ‘through’ this way is not standard/traditional English (this usage is only found in recent American texts and is not widely understood or accepted outside the US). In standard English, using ’through’ in this sense is unnecessary and wrong because the original ‘to’ performs exactly the same function. 2001:E68:5404:44CB:88FD:BCB7:5713:6B54 (talk) 16:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree and have changed. I don't believe that this is a MOS:ENGVAR issue. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2023

I would like to request a change of the word "identifcation" to "identification" in both occurrences in the "Aviation" section. Both Wiktionary and web searches suggest that the former is a misspelling, not some technical term that could be mistaken for a misspelling, like "ordnance". 166.181.80.186 (talk) 03:09, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Tollens (talk) 03:44, 2 October 2023 (UTC)