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Somebody should really translate the Japanese page into English..—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.164.234.77 (talk)

That's right, there are much more media in the Japanese article's media section than here... including CDs and even trading cards. I bet that's not the only thing missing here. --kazu (talk) 14:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anime[edit]

I'm really new to this editing Wikipedia stuff/am not really familiar with the standards we're using for the AnCOTW but I had earlier added an episode list to this article. Someone had moved it to a new article. There's nothing wrong with that, except that the anime article is pretty small... meaning it only contains the list. Furthermore, the Music related to the anime has been dropped somewhere, or I've gone blind and missed it. I would have assumed that creating an anime article for Eyeshield 21 would present the same problems as the Merge problem that this article initially had and so don't really see the point of having a separate article. Plus, with the addition of a new article there's also an increase in article maintenance. When you go to the article right now, there's a blurb stating that this article is sub-standard and needs more information, which could be gathered from the main Eyeshield 21 article. I think we should put the episode list back into the main article (if someone can do that and delete the episode list article (I don't know how to do that... or if you can)) and put the music back in (this should be done regardless). If I'm off my rocker just let me know... this is a learning experience for me. Thanks. -- Miss Ethereal 00:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't noticed that the music info went missing! When Onewingedangel9 moved the list to a new article he removed the music info as well. It is not unusual for lists of information to go onto pages called "List of xxxxx", in fact merging and splitting pages is done only when it will make things easier, rather than harder, for both the reader and the editor. So will there be an increase in article maintenence because of this? Well I'm not sure you can change anything in a list of names of episodes. The names won't change, perhaps dates could be added to them but that's about all. It is your discretion as an editor to whether a reader can just click a link to see all the names of the episodes if he wants that information -- or if he has to scroll past 52 lines of text if he doesn't. (I for one left that list in there, Onewingedangel9 felt compelled to move it. He/she didn't say why and maybe that's part of the issue, however the anime section of the article needs content, not just lists of attributes of the anime.) Now you, yourself have to decide whether to leave it as is or put the merge tags on it. You said it was a learning experience for you, so look at Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) and Wikipedia:Embedded list, decide which it should be and take action accordingly. Be Bold --Squilibob 09:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! The links helped to clarify if the episode list really should go in it's own article. Judging from the potential of the list to be expanded, it's probably best to leave it this way (especially now that the sub-standard blurb is gone!). I see the point that Onewingedangel9 was trying to make by creating a new article (it does make the main article more clear). But having never seen/heard of this anime before it was nominated, and being at a loss after googling it a bit, I don't really have much more to contribute for the anime.... Oh well! Thanks again! --Miss Ethereal 06:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My bad I'm still figuring out how this all works. I did feel like the list of episode names was an eyesore and would serve a better purpose if put under a link. You can move it back if you feel but I just felt like it doesn't need to be taking up so much space on the main page. I'm sorry about the music thing, I take full responsibility for messing up the music info. I'm sorry about that. I don't know much of anything about the anime either though so I was just trying to make the wiki more presentable. --Onewingedangel9

this is very interesting comic. in this comic, i like sena very much.how about u ( eyeshield 21's fans)????

Merge[edit]

  1. Merge. Merge Manga Summary of Eyeshield 21 with Eyeshield 21, but keep Eyeshield 21 characters as a separate article. Her Pegship 00:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, I've changed my mind. How about:
    Any discussion? Her Pegship 01:19, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Merge Never mind what I said before. Upon further thought I think we should put it all on one article (except for the character page), like the Japanese article. --TcDohl 05:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Merge I agree with both of you, keep the character page, merge the other two. Use a template to link them all. - Squilibob 09:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Merge For reasons covered by others already. Shingen 04:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

End of the anime[edit]

I believe that the anime ends on 5 April 2006 but can't find a source for it --Squilibob 00:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't think so. The manga is still a long way off from the anime, and the manga is a long way off the Christmas Bowl. --TcDohl 01:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anime News Netword - Eyeshield 21 (TV) says April 5th as well... is it usable though? Can we say something that's suppose to happen? It's where I got the episode list as well... and there's also a short blurb on the movie ... Eyeshield 21 (movie) --Miss Ethereal 06:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not. ANN has been wrong many times. And if it's an ongoing series, then one expects it to have mistakes in this department. Anyway, if it is true, then it's likely to be a season finale of sorts. But as I said, they're not going to be like Naruto or Kenshin where the anime catches up to the manga since it's quite a long ways away. --TcDohl 07:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you're right, it's probably the end of the season. Now that this discussion exists, it probably won't get added to the article, so no damage done. --Squilibob 04:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does the manga end after 200 chapters? Chapter 100 was referred to as the half-time special. Should this be taken literally?

About the trivia about Ricky Williams[edit]

Ricky Williams does wear an eyeshield in football.

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Editing Hiruma and Sena's articles out[edit]

What do you think? There's definitely no need to repeat same articles twice, and I think we just need a link to the devil bat team article.

Shimoji Kawazaki 03:57, 07 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Agree, twice the same info is un needed

Hrhalbe 10:53, 06 April 2007

Suggest Removing 1 Trivia[edit]

I don't see why "During the Death March across the USA, Sena takes a detour and ends up being picked by a professional football team, but he leaves before his name is announced." should be included in the trivia section. That's just part of the plot that anyone who's seen the anime will know.--Gellender 22:04, 11 December 2006

Live Action Moive[edit]

Does any one no if the are going to make a live action movie for eyeshiled 21 --Aussie_99 1:34, 1 January 2007

  • This isn't the place to ask questions that aren't related to the content of the article. Please post in a proper Usenet group or forum, not on Wikipedia (if you do find out, please cite a source and edit the article accordingly) 24.129.239.143 03:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Links[edit]

You guys should know better (you know who you guys are). You are not supposed to post links regarding downloadable Eyeshield 21 content. If you want manga, just buy it in bookstores wherever sold like; Borders.

Zeta26 17:33 3, March 2007 (UTC)

"Fucking"[edit]

This article states that the prefix "fucking" is used in the original manga. Well, is this as in English? Or is this a translation of the Japanese? If this is a translation of the Japanese, use the Japanese word with a translation! Keep in mind that Japanese cuss words, which may carry the same literal meanings as English cuss words, may actually vary in "importance" WhisperToMe 12:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The manga actually uses the word in English. 198.188.153.134 04:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • As in katakana for the foreign word "fucking"? It would be cool to see a scan! WhisperToMe 04:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's also spoken in English in the first Jump Festa special. It's on YouTube, last I checked. Teh Shingen 20:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MOVIES PERIOD[edit]

You guys should site if there are any movies out for eyeshield 21. And Nobody has sited the DVD's that have come out for it. I think that might be important for the article... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mesact (talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Updates[edit]

No offense, but you guys really need to get it together and up to date. Because the 128th episode has been aired already for quite sometime. TV Tokyo just recently aired the 132nd episode last Wednesday (the 12th). They're set to air the 133rd episode this Wednesday.Zeta26 0:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC).

Football Clinic[edit]

Copied over with a bit of editing from Talk:List of Eyeshield 21 episodes#Football Clinic

What are the Football Clinic blurbs from? They are definitely not episode summaries, and they shouldn't be on the episode list. However, given that episode 1 is the only entry with a true summary of any kind, I don't want to just remove all of them.

As I stated in the original discussion, though, if I don't get any replies in a couple of weeks, I'm going ahead and removing the blurbs. This means almost all of the episodes won't have any plot summary, though, since I've never seen the series. —Dinoguy1000 19:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article need some serious overhaul.[edit]

I read some of the sub-articles of Eyeshield 21, and I can't believe how horrible it's written, It's like it's being written by a 9 year old boy!! Sorry, but no offense to some 9 years old out there who is actually a good contributor, it's just a metaphor.

Some of character profile was written with terrible grammar, uses of incorrect mark like "?!", narration written like a conversation with friend. Overall bad writing that's far from wikipedia standard. It's terrible considering how Naruto was written much better than this one, they're both targeting the same range of audience and market in non-japanese society, but Naruto's wiki article was written much better, I'm not saying it's good, but definitely not as horrid as this one... Lolipedofin (talk) 11:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Work that needs to be done[edit]

Anime needs a summary Manga needs a summary Characters need a summary

I'll add more as I think of them and cross out of ones I did.DragonZero (talk) 08:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion and translation[edit]

Does anyone know what Jason Thompson wrote in his book Manga: The Complete Guide about Eyeshield 21? This can be useful for the "reception".

The Portuguese article is so bigger and most referenced than English. Can anyone translate it? The automatic translation can be seen here, but must revise errors as necessary and confirm that the translation is accurate, rather than simply copy-pasting machine-translated text into English Wikipedia and verify the references. After translation (if it's made), expand much more the article with references from the top of the page.

PS: The plot isn't necessary to translate, because the Portugues plot is a tranlation of the English plot. I'm from Portuguese wikipedia and I don't intend to help here so much, but if is really necessary you can contact me in my talk page in Portuguese. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 03:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

American football[edit]

I would like to see a Category:American football anime and manga category created to mirror the Category:Association football anime and manga and related that already exist. However until we can find other series which have articles on Wikipedia that probably won't happen.

I managed to find some manga series (not sure if any have animes) elsewhere which might potentially get articles. Here are the prospects:

  1. 1977 Ashita-e Kick Off http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=11118
  2. 1977 Football Taka http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=81534
  3. 1991 No Huddle http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=11214
  4. 2006 Yokubou Shounen http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=3248
  5. 2008 Kimi wa Kirakira http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=33892
  6. 2012 Captain's Orders (manga) http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=88979

In particular I think it would be beneficial to see articles for the first 3 titles since they preceded Eyeshield and could have influenced it. The latter 3 would be nice but seem more relationship-drama oriented than sports-oriented anyway. Ranze (talk) 15:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems a good idea, but the most of them may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline and Animanga notability. The only you mentioned that have an article in Japanese Wikipedia is No Huddle. Another American football that have an article is 5 Yards. However, both articles isn't good. And about the possible influence it's necessary to have sources to confirm this statement. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eyeshield 21 games[edit]

The both articles, Eyeshield 21: MAX Devil Power and Eyeshield 21: Devilbats Devildays, are deplorable, and I think as have no sources it can't confirm the notability. Even if you search, you can't found multiple sources to atest the notability (see: [2] and [3]). I also think that the major aspects are covered in this article. So, I ask: can I redirect both to Eyeshield 21#Video games? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you can. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 02:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As no one objected, I redirected. If I have been hasty, please, revert me. Another thing: I improved the Sena and Hiruma articles and I think both of them can continue in independent articles. If I'm correct, can i remove the fusion tag? And about the other characters I think has no another option or redirect them as the notability can't be proved. Someone disagrees? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For the characters, I opened a discussion here as I thought it's more appropriate to discuss there. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removed text[edit]

  • Reception --> Anime reception: I removed the following because the source appears to be user-generated content hosted on a sales site which isn't generally considered to be reliable sources:

Bobby Cooper from DVD Talk praised how the rules of American football is "explained to a foreign audience that has no clue what it's all about", adding that instructions at the commercial breaks "were informative and similar to the Go lessons of Hikaru No Go." He also said the explanations was "hilarious", but that "Eyeshield 21 is an excellent introduction to football".[1] The on-field action was also praised, with he saying the sports action is "where Eyeshield 21 truly shines", although he criticized the scenes away from the football field, "the pacing slows to a crawl and the storyline gets a little boring".[2]

  1. ^ Cooper, Bobby (May 11, 2010). "Eyeshield 21: Collection 1". DVD Talk. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
  2. ^ Cooper, Bobby (July 6, 2010). "Eyeshield 21: Collection 2". DVD Talk. Retrieved September 27, 2012.

Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 01:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just noting that I've readded it because it's not an user-generated but it was created by Geoffrey Kleinman and is a part of Internet Brands. It is also a widely-used source in Wikipedia, even on FAs (e.g. Interactions (The Spectacular Spider-Man), The Fifth Element, Triangle (The X-Files), Departures (film)). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 13:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be glad to take this review. Initial comments to follow in the next 1-3 days. Thanks in advance for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 13:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments[edit]

This article looks close to ready for GA; it appears complete, and the sourcing seems good. Deb Aoki of About.com may be a bit borderline as a reliable source, but since you attribute her thoughts to her in text, I think it's ok. Thanks again for all your work on it.

I did have a few copyediting questions for you:

  • "the extremely team" -- is there a word missing here?  Done
  • "players "passed an intimidating and powerful sensation"" -- this quotation doesn't really make sense to me. Is this in Japanese or English in the source? If English, I suppose we might leave it; if in Japanese, I think we need to revise it.  Done
  • " Before the book's launch, Inagaki and Murata, had a round table with Slam Dunk's Takehiko Inoue." -- a round table discussion to promote a book release seems extremely trivial; I'd suggest cutting this sentence.  Done
  • "that the readers gave up to finish" -- I'm not sure what this means.  Done
  • "with the first episode having a rating of 7.5" -- is it possible to give some context to this number? Is it on a scale of ten? Does the 7.5 stand for millions of viewers? -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've done all your sugestions. Could you check if these points are now enlightened? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 14:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that clears up almost all of it. I'm still just a little confused on this sentence: " in another poll of the best Shōnen Jump titles that the readers didn't want to continue reading, Eyeshield 21 ranked twentieth" -- if these are the best titles, why don't readers want to read them any more? It's unclear whether readers think this is the 20th best title, or the 20th worst title. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it is a little confusing to a layman but if you can help me, I would be thanked. This pool intended to show to the people what series are appreciated by the readers but nevertheless they didn't want to continue reading because it becames very long or boring. As you can see in the article this series lasted seven years (and there is much more longer series) and some readers simply "gave up". Gabriel Yuji (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, got it. I think I can clear that up with a word, but revert if you disagree. Will do the checklist in a minute. -- Khazar2 (talk) 00:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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