Talk:Designated marksman

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Explanation[edit]

What is MOA? Thanks! Mark Richards 20:58, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hope that's clearer. Securiger 01:59, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why is the US and Russian army squad designated marksman left out? If one would mention US Marines and IDF, it is only natural that other military organizations be included. Cheng-chuan, Chin

I edited the article to fix the grammar/spelling in the IDF section. Also tried to make things more NPOV by removing references to "terrorists", which is a loaded term.


isnt the LSW of the SA80 family of weapons now used in this way in the British army? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.252.37 (talk) 17:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

doctrine[edit]

"Soviet doctrine uses the Dragunov rifle in this way." The soviet union ceased to exist 15 years ago. Should it read "Soviet doctrine used the Dragunov rifle in this way." or "Russian doctrine uses the Dragunov rifle in this way."? Gurkha 20:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both. --jno 08:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weapons[edit]

Ever the SVD was "rechambered"??? AFAIK, it was designed for Mosin-Nagant cratrige. --jno 08:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines note[edit]

Hi all,

The following was added as an edit to the Worldwide use section:

Philippine Marine Corps
The Marine Scout Snipers (MSS) were the first unit in the Armed Forces of the Philippines dedicated exclusively to sniping and marksmanship. The Scout Snipers are notable for being able to effectively neutralize targets at 800 meters using only 5.56 mm rounds. The Marine Scout Snipers are also known for the development and manufacture of their own weapon, the Colt M16A1 based Marine Scout Sniper Rifle.

While I don't disagree with the factual accuracy of the inclusion, perhaps it would be better if it were included in one of the sniper articles, rather than the designated marksman article - the whole point of the latter being that it is different to the former.

Thoughts?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Stalwart111 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

^^^ Sorry - Stalwart111 (talk) 23:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

G3[edit]

The G3 has 7.62 x 39 mm cartridge

93.184.136.19 (talk) 12:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The G3 was used by West German Forces during the Cold War, using 7.62x51 NATO. 7.62x39 is a Combloc cartridge --64.125.179.170 (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this simply the US term?[edit]

Reading over this and marksman article, I can't see any difference other than the terminology. Am I incorrect in thinking this is simply the modern term used in certain US forces? If so, we should definitely merge. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, other outcries use the term as well. A DM is more than just a standard rifleman but not quite a sniper. To the non mil types it probably does not mean much, but it is a distinct term. do see what you mean, however, as both those articles need work. I would say DM rates its own article or a much expanded section in the Marksman article. To me a "Marksman" is someone who is barely qualified with a rifle as the badge represents the minimum score at qualification and its square shape gives it the nickname "Toilet Seat"; whereas a DM would be (or should be) rated as an "Expert".--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 04:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should probably mention when the term was first coined, as it first came about in the late 90s/early 2000s. Too often I see people acusing others of not knowing what they are talking about when they refer to rifles such as the SVD Dragunov as a 'Sniper Rifle', smugly stating that it is a 'Designated Marksman's Rifle'. However, the role of the SVD is blurred due to differences in Soviet doctrine of what the role of a sniper was, as well as a lack of US terminology at the time to describe such a rifle: a 'sniper' rifle used by 'snipers' (for a lack of a better word) was the best term we had. I think it is of value to mention that DMRs are derviatives of the sniper rifle, and that until the late 1990s, there was no distinction between them. --64.125.179.170 (talk) 16:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Maury Markowitz: @Mike Searson: I've started a new discussion at Talk:Marksman#Merger proposal. Comment there. Felsic2 (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When is a marksman a "designated marksman"?[edit]

This article includes military personnel who do not appear to be called "designated marksman". For example, Australian Army, British Army, Indian Army, and Israel Defense Forces (IDF). If they are not "designated marksman", maybe we should move that material to the Marksman article. OTOH, if they are de facto 'designated marksman', then we should have sources clearly identifying them that way. Felsic2 (talk) 21:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the question should be: is "designated marksman" a title used in any military other than the US Army and Marine Corps? If not, then we should focus this article on the US military use of the term and move the rest of the content to Marksman. Felsic2 (talk) 21:32, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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