Talk:Martin Bormann

Are Mark Felton's theories about Bormann's death plausible

The historian and professor Mark Felton made a series of Youtube videos arguing that Bormann did not die in Berlin but fled to Argentina, died there, then had his bones retrieved and planted in Berlin. Are these extremely fringe? Are they even worth mentioning in the article, alongside other speculation about where and how he died? CoyotesKenning (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Well I don’t know about Youtube, except it is not considered a RS source. However, I have one book by Felton, “Guarding Hitler” (2014). On pages 157 and 158, he talks about the two skeletons being found and Dr. Blaschke reconstructing the dental records for Bormann. And does mention what “some authors” state are inconsistencies and mentions Paraguay where Bormann was reported seen, but not Argentina. But in the end, Felton adds it all “continues to generate conspiracy theories”. So, there you go, fringe theories. Nothing more. Kierzek (talk) 02:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

A very high percentage of YouTube videos are not considered reliable sources. However, videos on the official YouTube channels of recognized reliable media outlets are considered reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Felton has documented his change of opinion since the publication of that book. Regardless, the speculation itself should be included in this article. Merxa (talk) 19:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Have you seen Hunting Hilter?

He most definitely didn’t die in Berlin in 1945! 194.233.232.141 (talk) 19:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hunting Hitler makes for good TV fiction, nothing more. Kierzek (talk) 15:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

The speculation regarding the subject's potential escape from Europe to South America should be documented in this article.The theories have been well documented and they should be included as representative of the historical content relating to the subject. Merxa (talk) 19:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

These conspiracy theories were put to rest with the discovery of the body, which has been conclusively identified as Bormann's through genetic testing. The possibility of an escape to South America is briefly covered in the section "Discovery of remains" and I think that's sufficient. — Diannaa (talk) 02:14, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how the discovery of the remains "put to rest the conspiracy theory". The mere fact that the skeletal remains belong to Bormann does not prove nor disprove the possibility that he lived past 1945, only that he died some time before 1972, and his bones were in Berlin in 1972. Occam's Razor tells us this means Bormann died in Berlin in 1945. But there are discrepancies in the various witness accounts, which could be attributed to erroneous memory from the confusion of war, but could also raise realistic questions as to their validity.

More forensic analysis is required to answer some of the questions raised by the so called "conspiracies", such as the red soil. But as the remains no longer exist, it is no longer possible. And the gaps in the witness accounts will forever remain. The official and widely accepted version of the history is that he died in 1945, but we are not 100% confident that it is entirely accurate. Keep in mind that various intelligence agencies took the "conspiracy" that Bormann was still alive very seriously until his remains were finally discovered. Therefore, the theory should be included in the article, but only if it is presented as such in a reliable source, of course. AmethystZhou (talk) 06:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)