Talk:Violence in sports

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In the Hockey section, nearly all the citations are meaningless orphans or broken links, referring to original citations that are now missing. Anyone with the ability to actually edit this page may want to correct the locked mess of unverified assertions. 66.86.112.53 (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


The page as it stood was fairly North-America centred, so I've added some European events. Average Earthman 22:59, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree with the above so have added

I have done this because I feel nearly all incidents of fan violence from the US and Canada are listed whereas very few European instances are noted. Even though I would guess that fan violence at European football matches far outstrips that of American sports combined.

The list of events needs cleaning up - we are ending up with a list of fan violence events, and a list of 'notable events'. I'm not sure some of the notable events are that notable - not to be rude, but is a fight in Puerto Rican basketball or baseball that significant? Average Earthman 09:41, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

    • OK, no-one has commented, so I deleted the Puerto Rican references, as I honestly couldn't see from the descriptions why they were notable outside of Puerto Rico. In contrast, the events at, say, the Tour de France, English Premier League and Major League Baseball made news worldwide. Average Earthman 14:07, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • They were notable to four million souls!! Even Phil Jackson commented about it, saying something like "The NBA isn't Puerto Rico's national basketball league, we don't expect fans to act like animals" or something like that.

"Antonio Puerto Rico matters Martin"

      • Sorry, but Puerto Rico isn't irrelevant, but neither is it more relevant than Greece, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, Australia, etc. etc. If we allow any local bit of violence in, the eventual article will be several pages long. If you want this violence listed, I'd suggest you create a separate article, list of acts of violence in sports perhaps. But the main article should only have a highlight of the most notable. At the moment, it is very US sports heavy, and we shouldn't be trying to balance things by packing them to the seams. I'm not interested in starting an edit war, but I would like some other opinions on the matter.

What I will say is that, if people insist on adding the Rodman bit (why is this that significant anyway?), can they at least format it right? Average Earthman 13:08, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Notable[edit]

The list of notable events is lacking at the moment - to be blunt, I've seen no evidence that the brawls in Puerto Rico are of international note, and the two brawls noted in the US in basketball and baseball are merely noted as 'brawls' - unless someone can flesh out the details (did these brawls inspire a change in the laws? Long term suspensions of notable players?) then I'd propose cutting them out as well. If no one comments in the next fortnight, I'll trim these four events. Average Earthman 13:39, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This article is sickening in its moralistic overtones[edit]

I really don't understand why it must be presumed that violence and aggression is abnormal or wrong. Only in this modern world where we have banished the gods of war could anyone think that the desire to fight is an abnormal masculine trait.

Blood lust is no different than sexual lust. Passion is neither good nor evil. We have evolved to be warriors and hunters. Because these instincts are undesirable in our docilie, feminized civilization does not mean they do not exist. Try as you might, human nature will be with us forever.

  1. don't know who wrote above... seem to be suffering from people not posting their names... Testosterone is noted as a reason for violence, which is not proven-. what is "Intermittent explosive disorder"? I got here through Sportsmanship and find that the link while existent is not necessarily strong. Dwarf Kirlston 20:15, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Intermittent explosive disorder is a personality disorder where a person has frequent and, in many cases, unpredictable outbursts of extreme anger or physical violence, but no signs in between episodes. The citation was included when I created this article, but that was some time ago and people have moved things around, perhaps orphaning this reference. --Westendgirl 06:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi there

Thinking back to my own career as a Rugby player I've come to realize that there might be another side to violence in sports: The only matches with lots of unfair violence were those in which one of the teams was hopelessly inferior to the other. I'm not so bold to announce a causal link between "getting humiliated" and "commiting unfair violence" but I've got the strong feeling that there is at least a correlation. This idea would chime well with the Frustration-Aggression_Hypothesis . A quick look at tables of the german soccer league adds some support to the idea. If you compare the number of fouls commited by a team with their respective ranking at the end of the 2009/2010 season, you can clearly see an inverse proportionality. The three most succesfull teams are among the four teams with the smallest number of commited fouls. And very violent teams tend to be less succesfull. Only 3 out of 18 teams do not fit this pattern. Could these findings perhaps be reproduced in other sports? Raimo Müller 84.161.99.27 (talk) 22:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What About Baseball?[edit]

As usual, there is an anti-hockey bias. What about all the brawls we've seen in baseball over the years? Not a single mention, even though they far outnumber hockey brawling 3:1.24.64.223.203 05:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not against hockey, but I don't think that's what you meant by "anti-hockey". I have nothing against baseball. However, when I started this article, I was writing the piece on violence in ice hockey. Actually, I was originally writing about Billy Coutu's violent streak. Wiki being what is is, I assumed others (you?) would round out the article. Please feel free to add baseball info!--Westendgirl 16:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


i cant say that i agree about that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.120.60 (talk) 13:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dictionary Entries[edit]

All of these Entries, except for Basebrawl, are Unofficial/made up and seldomly/rarely used.

  • Basebrawl (Baseball)
  • Basketbrawl (Basketball)
  • Footbrawl (Football)
  • Soccerbrawl (Soccer)
  • Volleybrawl (Volleyball)
  • Tennisbrawl (Tennis)

--Arima (talk) 05:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BLP[edit]

Hi, some of these incidents relate to people who are living, so wp:BLP applies. Please can we make sure that only reliably sourced well referenced incidents get included here. I've taken a few out and will do some more - please don't reinstate them without sourcing them. ϢereSpielChequers 19:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A historical reminder[edit]

Talking about fan violence, one may mention the Richard riot, which happened in Montreal in 1955. It was more about the anti-French bias of some people than about hockey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Riot — Preceding unsigned comment added by D13artagnan (talk • contribs) 15:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Another historical example[edit]

Should the water polo match during the 1956 Melbourne Olympics be included - there's something of an irony about such a violent match occurring under the auspices of the Olympics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_in_the_Water_match Basically itwas a water polo match between Hungary and the USSR at the 1956 Melbourne Olympics. The match took place on 6 December 1956 against the background of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. Andrew Robbins (talk) 12:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Violence categories in sports[edit]

The article focuses primarily on one category of violence in sports; I would suggest including and briefly explaining the four categories of violence that are recognized in sports – 1)brutal body contact. 2)borderline violence. 3)quasi-criminal violence 4)criminal violence. The first two categories of violence mentioned have gradually become accepted as the norm and as a result are more commonly practiced in contact sports; whereas the second two categories aren’t recognized as norms in sport culture and instead result in suspensions, fines, or other legal repercussions.[1]

The article would be more informative and representative if it included additional examples of brutal body contact and borderline violence - these contribute to a lot of serious injuries (e.g. brain damage/injuries in NFL). (NIH) Agra659 (talk) 01:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)A.g659[reply]

I agree, there is a lack of criminal violence in this article. I was looking to add a section focused on criminality in youth sports. More niche on the subject of criminal violence in youth sports, focusing on the sexual violence found in youth sports. KillerTiger0317 (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Coakley, Jay (2021). Sports in Society: Issues and controversies (13th ed.). McGraw Hill. pp. 161–169.

Violence by coaches[edit]

Since there are sections dedicated to Fan Violence and Violence by Athletes, I would also suggest creating a section for Violence by Coaches/Trainers. This section could help develop relevant discussions – especially regarding gender-based violence. Sexual violence in sports is an example of gender-based violence because it primarily affects female athletes. This type of violence most commonly occurs between athletes and their coaches/trainers.[1] The Larry Nassar case is widely-known and could be included as an example. While the majority of violence in sport can be attributed to male athletes/fans and contact sports, this section can address other problematic areas needing attention. Agra659 (talk) 01:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)A.g659[reply]

I have some research under this umbrella with sexual violence in sports I would like to add to this article as well. Larry Nassar would be a good case to look into and there are a few scholar articles diving into this topic. KillerTiger0317 (talk) 19:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Kerr, G (2022). Gender-Based Violence in Children's Sport. Routledge. pp. 70–79.

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Motorsports[edit]

Intentional wrecking is somewhat common in motorsports, sometimes resulting in drivers or teams coming to blows. NASCAR had a notable incident in 2012 between Clint Bowyer and Jeff Gordon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AdvoCare_500_(Phoenix) More recently, Luca Corberi got in an altercation in an FIA KZ Karting event, throwing a piece of bodywork at a fellow racer, then both Corberi and his father, the owner of the circuit, escalated the fight after the race. In the NASCAR Truck Series, John Wes Townley and Spencer Gallagher got in a drown-out grapple match in 2016. Finally, in Formula One, after a crash that took him out of the lead of the 1982 German Grand Prix, Nelson Piquet attempted to fight Eliseo Salazar before he was taken away.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_German_Grand_Prix Smaller fights are fairly common, at least in NASCAR, notably with Kyle Busch too. 131.247.226.115 (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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