Talk:Ash Ketchum

Change the image

Hi. I will upload Ash's lastest picture, because the image we use is old. I think you accept it. Raboot101 (talk) 23:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

"Satoshi Ketchum" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Satoshi Ketchum. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 17#Satoshi Ketchum until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 22:32, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2021

In the article, Riolu is spelled wrong and is spelled "Rioul" INotAdeleYT (talk) 19:49, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done Jack Frost (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Ash based on Red?

Do we have a citation for the assertion that "[Ash] is loosely based on Red..."? I certainly believe it, but I'm not sure if it would fall under a WP:BLUE situation or not, since one could argue their only main similarity is their place as Pokémon protagonists of the anime and (some) games respectively. I saw the same assertion here, but they didn't have a citation either. Has it just been reasonably assumed, or do we have a note from one of the creators saying "We roughly based Ash on Red"? IDontHaveAnAccountYet (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2022

The sentence "Ash also became the World Champion titled as Monarch meaning he is the strongest Pokémon Trainer in the World after Winning the World Coronation Series after defeating Leon" could be edited to:

"Ash also became the World Champion, titled as the 'Monarch', after defeating Leon in the World Coronation Series (an yearly event in which Trainers from around the world participate in, including regional Champions). He's officially the strongest Pokémon Trainer in the world." Alacrity 719 (talk) 13:50, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done , with slight modifications for clarity. Thanks for your request :) Actualcpscm (talk) 14:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Orange League title

The infobox lists him as the Pokémon Champion of the Orange League three times on equal terms with his Alola League Champion title, but I believe it's worth noting that the term "Champion" is only used in the Orange League in the English dub, whereas in the original Japanese he's simply given the title of "Honored Trainer" (even then, I don't believe the dub ever states that victory made Ash "Champion", although Drake's Japanese title of Head Leader is translated as Champion on a few occasions). Coughdropit (talk) 08:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

@Coughdropit Changed it to "Honored Trainer". Yuugone (talk) 12:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2022

Please add this at the end of "Kalos League controversy".

Ash subsequently won the Alola League in 2019. 103.73.183.59 (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

@103.73.183.59 You added title in the reference After 22 years, Ash Ketchum has finally become a Pokemon Master but he didn't, he won World Championship, becoming Pokémon Master is different. Yuugone (talk) 10:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

That is the title of the source article, though... Actualcpscm (talk) 10:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done Actualcpscm (talk) 10:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

References

English name and motto origin

I removed the line His English name is derived from the Japanese name (as the letters 'ash' are included in 'Satoshi') and his English motto is derived from the Japanese motto (as the letters 'Gotta catch 'em all!' are included in 'Pokémon getto da ze!'). from the intro. I couldn't find the derivation of 'Ash' from 'Satoshi' in the article references or from any reliable source, and the claim about the motto derivation is, as written, wrong on its face. Ramblevine (talk) 07:23, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I think what it means to say is "His last name is derived from the English motto "Gotta Catch 'Em All". 104.187.66.104 (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: NegativeMP1 (talk · contribs) 07:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Soon. λ NegativeMP1 07:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1 checking in since it's been a while. Would you still be down to review the article? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I still plan on reviewing this, but I'll need just a bit longer as I'm working on my own GA and reviewing another soon. λ NegativeMP1 05:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty, good luck with those articles! Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the constant waiting, every time that I get the chance to review this article it slips my mind when my time frees up. I still plan on reviewing it soon, ping me either here or on Discord if I don't do it today or tomorrow. λ NegativeMP1 19:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright, will do. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1 pinging you as requested. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

ok λ NegativeMP1 23:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Basic criteria

Checked the article for the quickfail criteria per WP:GAFAIL, and there is nothing in this article that would warrant a quickfail. No copyright violation signs, no cleanup banners or tags, and no edit warring. Prose review coming soon (I mean it this time, you won't have to wait 19 more days, I promise). λ NegativeMP1 23:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Prose review

• "In the English dub, he was voiced by Veronica Taylor in the first eight seasons and has been voiced by Sarah Natochenny since the ninth season." → "In the English dub, he was voiced by Veronica Taylor in the first eight seasons and Sarah Natochenny afterwards."
• Move the third paragraph to be the second one (basically, move the criticism to before how popular he got)
• "Named after creator Satoshi Tajiri, Satoshi, whose name can be taken to mean "wisdom" or "reason", was designed by Atsuko Nishida, and intended to represent how Tajiri was as a child, obsessed with catching bugs, reflecting who he was as a kid." → "Ash was design by Atsuko Nishida, and named after creator Satoshi Tajiri. The character was designed to represent how Tajiri was as a child, obsessed with catching bugs."
• "Ash's main goal is to become a "Pokémon Master," and as a result often attempts to defeat the Pokémon League- a competition of the strongest Trainers in a given region- in whatever region he is in." Use − instead of -
• Reception doesn't seem to have any issues, but I'll probably run another quick skim before passing anyways.

Source review

• Please use better sources if possible. In my opinion, they are acceptable enough for this subject (especially considering VG/S and the animanga sources page), but please keep in mind that if you plan on taking this article any further, or plan on maintaining it, unvetted/questionable sources such as Comicbook or Cinemablend should be swapped out if possible.
• Anywho, I spotchecked 10, 22, 25, and 29. They seem to verify the contents they are cited to.

Comments

I'll take another look after the above comments are addressed, but for now I'll put this on hold. λ NegativeMP1 16:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1 I've made the requested prose changes. I also ended up just removing the section cited with Comicbook and Cinemablend since it was pretty weak and trivial overall, and wasn't really too tied into the character's overall notability. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Loosely based on Red

@NegativeMP1, @Pokelego999 do you have some sources about the statement "loosely based on Red"? Because there are no sources about this and this aspect of the character is only discussed in the lead section Redjedi23 (talk) 14:00, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Good catch, didn't notice that wasn't verified in the lead. Pokelego can you remove that line please? λ NegativeMP1 15:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we could use this article (https://screenrant.com/pokemon-gary-blue-related-professor-oak-same-person/, the same that we use to state that Gary is based on Green) to say that Ash is based on Red. If this is the case, we should integrate this information in the body of the article (I could do it myself if you want) Redjedi23 (talk) 15:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1 I'm out right now, but I'll make some edits once I'm back home. Completely missed that one while I was doing my edits. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@NegativeMP1, @Pokelego999 I noticed another issue. In the lead section, it is stated that Ash appeared in several manga series, with a wikilink to Pokémon Pocket Monsters. The problem is that it is not the only manga in which Ash appeared so I would remove this wikilink. Also, the manga Pokémon Pocket Monsters that we wikilinked in the lead section has zero mentions in the body of the article, even in the "In the video games and manga" section.

I just removed the wikilink from the lead section, but I feel that this aspect must be discussed in the article, especially because it is a GA, what do you think? Redjedi23 (talk) 17:02, 3 March 2024 (UTC) Edit: Nevermind, I just noticed that Pokémon Pocket Monsters doesn't even see Ash Ketchum as the main character, so the situation should be fine just right now.

Not even sure why that was there, honestly, given the above reasons, but again, it was something I missed during my edits. Thank you for catching some of the smaller things that I've missed, it's greatly appreciated. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 03:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Pokémon series protagonist Ash Ketchum has been highlighted as a major part of what has made the Pokémon anime series so successful? Source: https://www.gamesradar.com/pokemon-is-retiring-ash-and-pikachu-and-im-a-little-heartbroken/
  "That enduring fondness likely wouldn't exist without Ash and Pikachu. For more than a thousand episodes across more than two and a half decades, the pair have been the functional face of the entire franchise, a constant as the series evolved across different games, different regions, different consoles."
  "It's the end of an era that has spanned more than 1,200 episodes, making the duo's tenure key to one of the longest-running anime series ever."
  "New Pokemon might grace my screen, but Ash and Pikachu would be an unchanging presence, anchoring not only the show, but the entire franchise."
  • ALT1: ... that the constant losses of Pokémon series protagonist Ash Ketchum have been highlighted for teaching positive lessons to viewers? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49719746
    ""Putting it bluntly, it was like being a loser is OK. The important lesson is to pick yourself back up, roll with the punches and keep going.""
    ""There was something really beautiful about seeing that growing up - that it's OK if you're not the strongest, the most qualified, as long as you keep trying to be the best person you can be, the nicest you can be to people around you.""
  • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by TorreFernando (talk). Nominated by Pokelego999 (talk) at 20:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ash Ketchum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article passes criteria. New enough (Promoted to GA within 7 days of nom), long enough. Since article passed GA review, pretty easily clears the DYK criteria for being well-sourced, as well as presentable. Earwig flags two sources with as mildly high "possible violations" but they're direct quotes. Maybe(?) could use some tweaking/paraphrasing to improve article, but for the purposes of appearing on the DYK section, that shouldn't impede it from inclusion tbh. Hooks are sourced properly. QPQ is moot because seems to be nominator's first time nominating. I def prefer ALT1 to ALT0, but they both have interesting angles. Soulbust (talk) 02:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Oops, made a mistake in here. Accidentally put the original creator as the one who improved it to GA status when I was the one who did that. Not a big deal but thought I'd make note of it. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:22, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Voice actors section

The "Voice actors" section doesn't have the necessary sources. It is written in the section that the first name of Ash in the series was "Casey", but it isn't stated in the source at the end of the paragraph. Also, there aren't any sources about the original voice actors (Rica Matsumoto and Hana Takeda). I feel like this section should be improved, maybe including more details about the original voice actor in order to give a more WP:GLOBAL view of the subject. Redjedi23 (talk) 13:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I've just added a few sources on Matsumoto, though I couldn't find as much dev info as Natochenney or Taylor. There may be some stuff I'm missing in Japanese sources, so I'll likely look into that, but for now Matsumoto now has some citations referencing her tenure, and likely more can be added worst comes to worst. Takeda I ended up cutting due to the fact I couldn't find sources discussing her performance at all. I'll probably look deeper into that as well but for now the issues you've brought up have been addressed. If you happen to have any sources handy on those areas I mentioned, I'd greatly appreciate them as well. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I found this source for the Ash/Casey stuff: [1]. Regarding Matsumoto, I found this sources: [2], [3]

I also found this source that talks about Hana Takeda: [4], but it is only a list of voice actors of the episode Redjedi23 (talk) 20:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry that took so long, added. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry, thank you! Redjedi23 (talk) 11:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)