Talk:John Madden

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He lives on the Moon -- Really?[edit]

That seems incredibly notable all by itself.

"On April 16, 2009, Madden officially announced his retirement as an NFL broadcaster after 30 years, saying "It's time."[13][14] Former Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Cris Collinsworth was announced as his replacement. Madden now lives on the moon."

On which planetary mass Collinsworth makes his home, one might wonder... Someone should keep an eye on this page. Esp. as Madden's going to make headlines soon by dropping dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.228.6.74 (talk) 18:08, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested move[edit]

NB: Prior to 28 October 2003, this article was part of John Madden. For edits made to this article before that date, see the edit history for John Madden. —Paul A 08:47, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

  • I disagree with the judgement on moving this over unambiguated John Madden. I believe it should stay where it is. --Improv 05:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

request for more info[edit]

Does anyone know what position JM played? That'd be nice to add.

Good Charlotte[edit]

Someone claimed that John Madden is the father of twins Benji and Joel Madden, who are in the rock group Good Charlotte. This claim was repeated on Joel Madden and Benji Madden. I have reverted all 3 of these pages. Is this claim true? I can't find any sources for this. I'm also a fan of the group and I watch a lot of football, which is not definitive of course, but I've certainly never heard these claims before. Interviews with the band suggest that they knew their father and that he was a butcher and house painter before leaving the family when the boys were 16, at a time when John was coaching the Raiders. See "GC Article In November Blender Mag". Simishag 01:15, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

John Madden's residence[edit]

Although the article lists Pleasanton, CA as his home, doesn't he live in Blackhawk?

Dspserpico 00:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

His bio page on his website lists Pleasanton. BrianFane 16:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

why do people keep changing the state austin is in? shouldn't it be minnesota? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.13.135 (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes[edit]

Shouldn't the quotes be moved to Wikiquote?--Dwedit 03:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Caliendo[edit]

I clearly remember an article where John Madden said he didn't mind Caliendo's impersonation. I'm trying to find it, but my memory -- which, of course, could be wrong -- contradicts the article. Hopefully I'll find it in the next few days and I can correct the article if need be.

I've added a quote by Caliendo, but a quote by Madden would be more appropriate in Madden's article. Haven't found one yet... RadioKirk (u|t|c) 02:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Found one. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 03:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Frank Caliendo should be mentioned on madden’s page: one comic made his career off of impersonating Madden - it illustrates how popular & beloved Madden was! 2600:1016:B122:A389:95F0:FF1E:6472:4C4A (talk) 02:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why do people feel its important to mention that Frank Caliendo does an impression of him? Is that really vital information to people coming to this page looking for information about John Madden? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.229.247 (talk) 04:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't see any reason for Caliendo to be mentioned in Madden's article. It might be appropriate for Madden's feelings on Caliendo to be in his article, but not in this one. 151.197.127.141 (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was oppose for move. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 11:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've already moved the previous article "John Madden" to John Madden (disambiguation). This John Madden is far better known, and has a far more developed article, than any other person with the same name. --zenohockey 05:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Voting[edit]

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
  • Support - Most of the redirects to the disamb are referencing to the American football commentator. A--J. Nguyen 15:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC) After thinking about it, I heard of the hockey player and filmaker John Maddens but they're not as well known in the United States and say the American football commentator. John Madden is just not an unique name. Oppose. --J. Nguyen 15:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I disagree with the judgement on moving this over unambiguated John Madden. I believe it should stay where it is. --Improv 05:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose, I think - the football guy may well be the best known John Madden, but then being the director of Shakespeare In Love or one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL sound like pretty good jobs too. sjorford (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - To assume that someone typing John Madden in Wikipedia is only looking for the former coach seems kind of presumptuous. --Cholmes75 21:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - When you hear the name John Madden, this is who you think of. There may be others with the name, but this is the most famous and one most are likely searching for. --Mrskippy 00:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Add any additional comments
  • The NHL player and the director named John Madden are notable—that's why they have pages on Wikipedia, after all—but the average Wikipedia user is far, FAR more likely to be looking for the football analyst than either of them. Remember, the standard, according to WP:RDR, is: "Ask yourself: When a reader enters this term and pushes 'Go', what article would they realistically be expecting to view as a result?" Admit it: the first John Madden that comes to mind is this one. --zenohockey 05:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of presumptuous, deciding for all visitors what the first John Madden to come to mind will be. Outside America, it's probably likely enough to be the director; that's who I was originally looking for today, anyway... 81.104.164.2 04:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, I live in Britain and think that 90% of English speaking people would be looking for the John Madden associated with football. I have never heard of the other John Maddens and think that there should be one of those links that you click on to find the others who are so much less famous. --Wikipediatastic 16:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I live in Canada, where hockey is king. Even then, the most well-known John Madden is this one. Kirjtc2 16:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Someone messed with the page and changed a bunch of stuff. Someone should fix it. I would myself but I'm too lazy.

2 footballs on the field?[edit]

what does that mean?--TheNation 05:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fear of Flying[edit]

Removed the following question from the article. If someone has information on how Madden travelled when he was a coach we can add it to the article.

However, one wonders how Madden travelled around the country during his tenure as coach of the Raiders: did he start using a bus in the early 60's while his teams flew to the sites of their road games? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boguslinks (talk • contribs) 01:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Jbl1975 has clarified the article. Boguslinks 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

why does it say " He was also the last color commentator for Monday Night Football before it moved to ESPN in 2006." like, he's as white as a ghost. i'm going to delete it and assume it is tomfoolery. 66.131.22.154 08:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What are you objecting to as "tomfoolery"? The concept of color commentary? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.34.149.77 (talk) 13:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

- as far as I know John has always hated to fly, even before the 60s

article title[edit]

I propose moving this article to John Madden (American football), as nobody has any idea who "John Earl Madden" is. He's never called that. Corvus cornix 17:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

turducken?[edit]

Why is turducken in the "see also" section of the page? Am I missing something or is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.29.202 (talk) 03:24, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

John Madden is known for his love of turducken, he discusses it all the time on the Thanksgiving shows. Corvus cornix 17:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No Critics???[edit]

Why does this article not have a "critisism" section? Many people have through times critisized Madden for being Racist and for his many statements about how white football players should be chosen before black Why is there no mentioning of that? no matter who you are you can always be critizesed I would appreciate it if someone would look into it.

With regards; anonymous contributor

Are you crazy ? This is nonsense. Absolute nonsnse. 203.160.69.83 (talk) 10:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Best Winning Record?[edit]

According to my research, Madden has the best winning percentage record -- better than Lombardi (though Lombardi is given that credit on this page.)

"Madden's overall record with the Raiders was 103-32-7, giving him the highest winning percentage of any NFL coach (just edging out legendary Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi, whose lifetime record was 105-35-6)" (Answers.com)

"His winning percentage (.750) is the best of any head coach in NFL history." ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/madden/story?page=bio)

"His .759 regular-season winning percentage stands as the highest ever among coaches with 100 career victories." ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/halloffame06/news/story?id=2536320) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madscribbler (talk • contribs) 15:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Madden biographies[edit]

Any good biographies on Madden? Robert C Prenic (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

His NBC one,John Madden, is the best. If you want quick facts, IMBD is okay but shouldn't be used for citations as it is self-editted by users (John Madden (II)). --Morenooso (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you are interested in the Raider years, I thought the two books he wrote were the best. That team was a total crackup, I loved 'em :) Yay, Kenny Stabler ! Is there a reference to his books in the article ? I didn't see it but wasn't looking closely. If not, there should be. 203.160.69.83 (talk) 10:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

dead?[edit]

Is he dead? 67.167.56.186 (talk) 02:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article gives no death date, so the answer appears to be no. It's worth pointing out, though, that the "Tough-actin' Tinactin" ad features a computer-generated Madden, and I'd swear that the only other recent ad I've seen featuring him (I forget the company) looks like much higher-quality CG as well. Is he actually appearing in any current commercials? Or has he become a virtual actor? 168.9.120.8 (talk) 17:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                        Is he really dead or still alive?  I want and need to know.  How old is he?  If he is dead how old would he be if he was alive?  People should keep this page updated so when you want or need to know something you will know.  Why doesn`t the artical give a death date and all that information?  This whole wikipedia thing doesn`t make much scence.  All good recources (besides a book) keep you updated to know what is going on around you and all the info. that you need.  I am starting to think this is a bad recource.  Nobody keeps you updated and I don`t have all the info. that I need.  I might only be 10 years old, but I am a very smart one.  Working on state reports witch are due on Thanksgiving.  I sure am a smart 5th grader.24.118.173.196 (talk) 00:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)24.118.173.196 (talk) 00:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I found the answer. He is still alive working! I am 10 yeas old.24.118.173.196 (talk) 00:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


He is 74 years old (with my calculation, paper and pencil/my dad got the same answer as me). 10 year old star student.24.118.173.196 (talk) 01:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well he is definitely dead now LJ (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are his parents really named Earl and Gary?[edit]

--Brady12 (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

protect this article[edit]

Can we move to protet this article, since a lot of vandals seem to be on it b/c of retirement.--Levineps (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only seing one vandalism edit in the last hour. Am I missing some?--Cube lurker (talk) 16:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although I may have just jinxed it.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox - Career Stats[edit]

There is a section in the Infobox labeled "Career Stats" which has a win-loss record, winning %, and number of games. Can this somehow be clarified to say it's his COACHING career (as opposed to his playing career)? I'm not too familiar with infobox templates, or I'd do it myself. -Sme3 (talk) 00:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coached at Buffalo State?[edit]

Buffalo State college did not have a football program at the time he is said to have coached...has anyone found a source for that? It's not in any bio that I've found for him. MightyTick (talk) 12:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, he didn't[edit]

http://www.buffalonews.com/entertainment/story/647457.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.251.205.134 (talk) 19:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh[edit]

"The Raiders lost the AFC Championship Game in 1977 to the Denver Broncos with Madden battling an ulcer for most of the season."

SO Madden was battling an ulcer for "most of the season" during the championship game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.183.38 (talk) 13:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wife's name[edit]

At the beginning of the article, it says JM has been married to Mary Fields since Dec. 26th 1959. Later in the article, his wife's name is Virginia. Did he get a divorce? Did Mary change her name to Virginia?

Please see his NBC bio John Madden. Her name is Virginia Fields. I see what you mean and will change it back. There is a lot of test edits or vandalism that goes on in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morenooso (talk • contribs) 16:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page clean-up[edit]

There was some stray formatting that is causing this talkpage not to display correctly. I think I got it all but we shall see. Please remember to sign all your posts with four tildes ~~~~ --Morenooso (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Help[edit]

I can't correct the formatting and do not know how to modify what someone did to the Voting Table. I think an editor jumped in there and destoyed some of the formatting which is causing later comments not to show. Help!!!--Morenooso (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Fetchcomms for fixing the page. I also just forgot to sign. I have this thing going for this month that I will donate $1 for every sig I don't make. It's up to $20 now. Here's my sig ====> --Morenooso (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent poor jokes about the subject on the pagespace[edit]

In the last two days, two separate accounts (BigShow1208 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (diff) and Belly cats (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (diff) have added material to the John Madden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article which claimed the subject had died. The circumstances described were clearly intended to be jokes, but the first account had added such jokes to the same namespace before (diff). I've applied warning templates to both users' talk pages, specifically mentioning the potentially serious situation surrounding reporting the death of a living person on a BLP. It's entirely possible this is the same person operating under two usernames. There's insufficient activity to ask for page protection or BLP/N attention. In any case, I feel the need to document it here in the unlikely event this becomes an issue. BusterD (talk) 00:12, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi[edit]

What time did he die 50.221.22.81 (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not, the NFL was the one to announce his death LJ (talk) 00:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How much of this statement can be copied in as a quote box?[edit]

This is a statement by Roger Goodell. I would like to copy it in as a quote box template, but I'm not sure how much of it is appropriate to copy in, and I also don't want to risk a copyvio. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:48, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't press releases fair game? I think that's the point of them, right? LJ (talk) 00:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll throw it in. I'm still new to this whole thing. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:54, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Me too! Totally get it. LJ (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Died unexpectedly[edit]

Unexpectedly? He was 85, I don't feel like that was unexpected? Either way, feels like editorializing. LJ (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC) Update: I found the page that said it was "unexpected" but it's a USA Today blog-type article, so my point stands. https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/john-madden-passes-away-at-85-nfl-world-reacts[reply]

I don't know, he seemed like a pretty healthy guy. Not the image of fitness, but not obese either. I would have expected him to at least reach 90, or there to have at least been some sort of decline. Dying in the middle of "footballing" is pretty unexpected to me, at least. Who knows, though; Maybe there were signs along the way. Pretty odd that it hasn't been released yet, though. This guy is prolific. I mean, I would understand if the family wanted to keep it on the down-low, but its been a good few months now. Sorry for blabbing, though. Hope this finds you well. TheBooperOfDooper (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update to the update: I guess the original wording from the NFL press release uses that language. I'm fine with it if someone wants to put it back in. LJ (talk) 01:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Press release or not, I removed the adverb. If he was half his age, then it would be unexpected. Wyliepedia @ 01:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

People will say a death is unexpected because it came without warning, like deaths usually do, but the man was elderly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gotnext85 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2021[edit]

Hey this is makenna madden the granddaughter of John madden who passed away yesterday I was wondering if I can edit your page a little bit I would say some more details about his life and add some family photos if I can thank you so much have a wonderful day Makennamadden77 (talk) 02:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: If you detail the changes you would like added, along with reliable sources, you can reopen this request and someone may make the changes for you Cannolis (talk) 03:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Section[edit]

There needs to be an addition: “The broadcast years” 2603:8090:2100:46:C17D:7F13:FE9A:C0B5 (talk) 08:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See the section called "Sportscasting career". Larry Hockett (Talk) 09:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

John maddens death[edit]

He didn’t die at home he died in the car on his way to the doctors for a checkup and he didn’t wake up Makennamadden77 (talk) 07:12, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Makennamadden77: Can you provide a reliable source that can be cited?—Bagumba (talk) 10:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of Immaculate Reception[edit]

article erroneously states that the loss to the steelers via the immaculate reception took place in the afc championship game. it was however the afc divisional round. 207.255.86.101 (talk) 00:15, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death[edit]

What did madden die from? Was it the family that chose not to reveal his cause of death or is it really true that even they don’t know what he died from? I’m very confused. 2601:440:8680:7130:B96D:8F36:1855:C57 (talk) 13:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have tons of photos of our family and him…[edit]

I have many photos of our family… I’ve been lucky to be apart of the madden family and would love to share some of our last photos with him over the years if you would so kindly let me add them ….Makenna Madden Makennamadden77 (talk) 17:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Makennamadden77, hi. We would be grateful for any donated family photographs. For licensing purposes, we have the Volunteer Response Team, which handles granting licenses for donated media. You can email them at permissions@commonswikimedia.org. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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