Talk:Tavisupleba

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Currently this is in Georgian language and in Mkhedruli script; that should be kept, but there should also be:

transliteration into Latin script
translation into English

Jmabel 02:11, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Newcomer to Wikipedia here. Tavisupleba actually means freedom. There is a translation here, including transliteration: http://david.national-anthems.net/ge-txt.htm, not sure about the copyright implications. Judging by the marginal Georgian I learned it seems the transliteration is correct, albeit not scientific, i.e. it does not reflect the highly complex Georgian consonant sytem. Tribute2jimmyk 11:33, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I've dropped David a note to ask what he knows about the copyright status of the transliteration and translation. -- Jmabel 18:23, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

OK. I've had a couple of emails back and forth now with David Kendall of national-anthems.net. He says no problem. The transliteration and translation were done for his site, and there was no intent of limiting re-use, so we are welcome to it. Thanks Tribute2jimmyk for calling it to my attention, thanks David for the permission. -- Jmabel 04:51, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Recording needed[edit]

We used to link this to an MP3 file as an external link, but the link http://www.parliament.ge/GENERAL/C_D/gimn.mp3 "went dead" (404 error). Does anyone know of something to replace it? -- Jmabel | Talk 07:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Added two onto the article, both are PD. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have more recordings on hand, but I think these two are fine, since they come from known government sources. Jmabel, see me on on MSN or email if you wish to have them. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added a YouTube link[edit]

I found this music video version of the anthem posted on YouTube.com. It looks like something officially produced by the government. But I don't know anything about the story behind this video. Anyone else know? Inkan1969 07:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have two questions about this YouTube video. [added web link — Richwales (talk) 22:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)][reply]

First, can anyone confirm that this is (or is not) the exact same video as the one aired on Georgian Public Broadcaster, as described in the following sentence from the article? "For example, on Georgian Public Broadcasting, a video plays with the Georgian flag being flown and features current Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili singing."

Second, could someone who knows Georgian please take a look at this screenshot from the very end of the YouTube video — containing a short text overlaying a Georgian flag — and confirm precisely what the text says in Georgian (i.e., transcribe the calligraphic lettering into mkhedruli), and translate it into English? (I currently know barely enough Georgian to fill a thimble, and although I have a vague idea what the text says, I want to be sure.) Thanks. Richwales (talk) 16:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Richwales about YouTube video:

Yes, this one is the exact same video as the one aired on Georgian Public Broadcasting (at the beginning and closing of television and radio programing), here is another one with GPB old Logo (seems it's audio quality is worse). But, this sentence: «a video plays with the Georgian flag being flown and features current Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili singing.» does not describe it's content, i mean Georgian flag is flown in it but president does not sing (maybe he was mistaken for Paata Burchuladze by someone).
The text says: საქართველო გაბრწყინდება! unfortunately i hadn't had to translate it before and i don't know the exact translation, but word for word translation is: Georgia will be brightened(shining) or something like that, it's a pure Georgian phrase from old times (correctly it's a church prophecy, or tradition), originally regarding to iveria and it's condition during Apocalypse.

That is our (of all Georgians) believe indeed! Kind regards Rastrelli F (talk) 15:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks very much for posting this reply. A few followup questions:

I thought the text did say "საქართველო გაბრწყინდება!" — as you confirmed — though I was a bit confused at first because the ბ's look a lot like მ's in the calligraphic style being used. I assumed the second word was some form of "shine", but I didn't know exactly which tense / aspect / mood / etc. (remember that I have barely just begun learning a small bit about Georgian and can't truthfully say that I can read / write / speak it at all!). As a native speaker of English, and based on what you said, I think I would propose "Georgia will shine"; does that sound right to you?

The man who is prominently featured in several scenes towards the end of the video is Mikheil Saakashvili, right? But the operatic bass/baritone singer is presumably someone else's voice. When I watch the YouTube copy, by the way, the lip-synching isn't very good; as Saakashvili and the crowd sing the first "თავისუფლებას", I can see their lips move a fraction of a second before I hear the singer's voice. I'm not sure if this is the way the original video really is, or if it's an artifact of the YouTube site. When this video is shown on GPB, are the mouths and the voice in (or out of) sync?

What in the world was going on when Saakashvili splashed water on his face (around the word "ამოდის")?? Richwales (talk) 17:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right - "Georgia will shine" - is the exact translation indeed! later i realized word for word translation of "Georgia will be shining" is - საქართველო იქნება გაბრწყინებული, and not "საქართველო გაბრწყინდება!" (so i mistranslated:))
- And this is original video, really. You can compare it with our video sources here and here; It's truly asynchronous.
Now, the man who is featured in several scenes towards the end of the video, he is not Mikheil Saakashvili, he is Paata Burchuladze [1] :) Saakashvili only splashes water on his face and does not sing at all. This scene is a cut out from Adjara's rose revolution videos, when Saakashvili went to the beach and splashed Black Sea water as a symbol that Adjara was free. That's all :)

P.S. There is another version of our anthem (pop version), which was very popular after Rose Revolution, i think it's better :) Rastrelli F (talk) 19:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those clarifications / corrections. I can definitely see how someone might have mistaken Burchuladze for Saakashvili in those shots. I thought it didn't quite look exactly like the president, but I assumed maybe it was because the video was done a few years ago and the man has been stressed out since that time from the pressures of political life! But whatever . . . .

One other, very quick scene from the GPB video we've been talking about here looks like a memorial — with an eternal flame, a couple of soldiers standing guard, and a wall with a plaque that appears to say "ერთიანი საქართველოსთვის" (~~"United for Georgia"?~~ "For a United Georgia"?). Can you identify this location for me? ~~Richwales (talk) 21:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)~~ Richwales (talk) 00:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I may have found an answer to my own question. The memorial appears to be the "Monument to the Heroes who Fell Fighting for the Territorial Integrity of Georgia" in Tbilisi — a memorial to those who died in the Abkhazian war. Am I correct? Richwales (talk) 03:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, that memorial is located on Heroes' Square in Tbilisi. One correction: the memorial is not only to those who died in Abkhazia but to those who died for the United Georgia, after our independece (in first "South Ossetian" conflict (1990) as well). The memorial text is as follows:

ერთიანი საქართველოსთვის

საქართველოს ერთიანობისთვის ბრძოლაში დაღუპულ გმირთა მემორიალი

Your translation (it's good :):

For a United Georgia

Monument to the Heroes who Fell Fighting for the Territorial Integrity of Georgia

Rastrelli F (talk) 21:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I put together a montage last night with several screenshots from the video. This image is now included in the Tavisupleba article. Someone should probably create a page for the monument and/or Heroes' Square — as far as I can tell, there isn't any such article right now in the English Wikipedia — your wikilink to "Heroes' Square" goes to a disambiguation page that doesn't include anything in Georgia. If you can point me to some more information about the square or the monument — e.g., a description of when it was built, any notable stories or controversy surrounding it, what sorts of official observances occur there, etc. — I could start working on it. Or, if you would like to do it, by all means go ahead. Richwales (talk) 02:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a good idea about new pages, but at this moment i have no enough time to get busy with it. Unfortunately i don't know any web material about "Heroes' Square (Tbilisi)". I think, i can find something i my personal library, after i get free from my job of course :) --Rastrelli F (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright status of screen-shot montage from Tavisupleba video[edit]

Please note that the copyright status of File:Tavisupleba Video Montage.jpg is currently being questioned. Anyone with thoughts on this is welcome to go to Wikipedia:Possibly unfree_files/2010 December 27#File:Tavisupleba Video Montage.jpg and leave your comments. Richwales (talk · contribs) 04:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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