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New visitors' center[edit]

An anon. editor jumped in here with enthusiasm to make one of his/her first edits on 18 Feb 2005. Unfortunately the sentence he/she added included a term which is neither obvious nor defined ("spiritual formation center"). I have removed it until we can get some clarity on its meaning. --Blainster 09:04, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Kirtland Temple has plans to build a new visitors' center more suitable for the number of visitors they have been getting in recent years. The current visitors' center has a book store, theater, and a few historical items on display. From what I understand, plans for the new center hope to incorporate Community of Christ's mission today—as a church that pursues peace and justice, and promotes communities of wholeness and healing of spirit. I don't really know any of the specifics but this is what the author was refering to by "spiritual formation center". --Dbolton 19:57, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It would be fine to put something about this in the article once it is explained and perhaps even existing. --Blainster 20:02, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

School of the Apostles[edit]

"School of the Apostles" is the phrase used to describe the 2nd floor of the temple. "School of the Prophets" was the phrase used to describe the classes and meetings that took place above the Whitney Store.--Dbolton 02:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nauvoo[edit]

The construction section references the Nauvoo temple but this is completely out of context to the reader who is not familiar with Church history. Can we put in some background on why Nauvoo is relevant? --Chrispounds 12:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

School[edit]

I have heard that at one point in time it was used as a schoolhouse, and that one of the Presidents of the United States actually studied there as a boy. Could anyone confirm or deny this, and if it is true, it merits mention in the article.--Isaac Crumm 22:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The third floor of the Temple was used as a schoolhouse by the Church, but President James Garfield did not attend this school as a boy. In 1876, Garfield bought a house in the next town over, Mentor, Ohio. He was an adult, running for president at that time.--Dbolton 06:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

I am looking for high resolution (300 ppi) images that would print well and are in the public domain. I see the existing image doesn't have high resolution (per the note). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.114.32 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editor submittal[edit]

The following was submitted on the Restorationism article by User:Airamerica. May be more appropriate incorporated here. WBardwin (talk) 04:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Three necessary acts which fulfilled covenants from Heavenly Father occurred on April 3, 1836 at the Kirtland, Ohio Temple. Moses appeared before Joseph Smith Jr. and Oliver Cowdery and committed unto them the keys for the gathering of lost Israel. Following the closing of that vision another opened and Elias appeared and committed to them, the gospel of Abraham saying that in them and all generations after them would be blessed.

Following this another vision burst upon them and they saw and talked with Elijah the Prophet who was taken from the earth without tasting death, and he stood before them and said, "Behold, the time has fully come which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi -- testifying that he [Elijah] should be sent, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come-- To turn the hearts of the fathers to the childred, and the children to the fathers, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse."

So on that day, three prophetic events were completed. The beginning of the gathering of the lost tribes of Israel, the restoration of the Abrahamic covenant, and the keys of Elijah for the redemption of the dead. The completion of these three necessary events before the end times is unknown in any other Restorationists. (See the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 110 verses 11-16)

Common Kirtland Temple Myths section[edit]

Someone recently added a section called "Common Kirtland Temple Myths". Does this seem inappropriate to anyone else besides me? For one, there are no sources given for the myths, leading me to believe that it is original research, but it also seems to violate guidelines regarding words to avoid and weasel words. I would remove the section, but if some sources are found, it may be possible to integrate these facts(?) into other sections. – jaksmata 15:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have encountered these myths myself (and would not label the section "original research"). Having a section dedicated to "Common Kirtland Temple Myths," however, does give the topic undue focus since the majority of readers will not have heard these myths. I would recommend integrating information from this section into the article by stating the facts that contradict these myths rather than referring to the myths directly.--Dbolton (talk) 06:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and reorganized the myths into other parts of the article. I have doubts that the roof was red originally, but I don't have time to research that right now. Do any of the already given references mention original colors or details on the construction materials? – jaksmata 15:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elwin Robison's book (listed in the references) is the best place to look for this information, but I don't have access to it right now. Original stucco from the exterior is on display at the visitor's center. It is blue-grey. (see also photos from 1875, 1885 and 1890). --Dbolton (talk • contribs) 00:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know if Artemus Millet's involvement was part of this section, as it has been deleted. I have added his work into the construction section. There are 4 references given, some of which disagree with the family tradition but still provide evidence that Millet was the key to the temple being built with stone. I would like others mentioned with references for example, Brigham Young was a key person for the interior work, as were others. I have always seen Millet with two "T"s as in Millett, but current writings seem to show one for Artemus, with many after him using both one and two "T"'s.

The original exterior stucco might have been grey or white. It did contain glass and sparkled in the sun. Whether or not any china was used is not clear, as Millet didn't publicly release the recipe of the stucco mix. By family tradition, the stucco includes hair, glass and china. There was reported a glass company in the area at the time, and it is most probable that the majority of the glass used was waste glass, or even old bottles. Reports of fine china being donated and broken have not been able to be verified over the years. I have heard this story for over 40 years. My father knew a granddaughter of Artemus, she was my father's grandmother. Any edit of this section should be to increase it's accuracy, but should not delete Artemus. Countless generations and lives were changed with his involvement, which is not a Myth. --Archf 1 (talk) 00:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Order of sections in article[edit]

Should we consider switching the order of the sections so that the Present Day section is at the bottom? This would improve the flow of the article. Thoughts? Rollidan (talk) 22:10, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree wholeheartedly. As it has been several months, and there is no disagreement expressed, I have moved it to the bottom. Epachamo (talk) 02:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership of Kirtland Temple[edit]

It is misleading to say that the Kirtland Temple is a temple of the Community of Christ and the LDS church. That sounds like a joint project or joint ownership. The temple is clearly owned and operated by the Community of Christ. Yes, the LDS church has historical connections to the Kirtland temple, and that is duly stated here. However, they do not own the land or building. MichaelBotts (talk) 22:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]