Talk:Megawati Sukarnoputri

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Religion[edit]

Megawati Soekarnoputri is Hindu, only "Hindus" believe in astrology not pious muslims. She is also one of the members of Parisada Agama Hindu Dharma Indonesia which bases itself upon converting muslims into the Hindu cult of the empire Mahajaphit. It is a cultural empowerment movement that has nothing to do with Islam. Only Hindus use the sanskrit language as a language of religion not "muslims".

- Varadh

Do you have a credible citation for this assertion? Last I checked, she was a Muslim, and is Javanese. CDC (talk) 04:22, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think Megawati's mother was Balinese and thus probably a Hindu, but so far as I know she is a Muslim, at least in public. Muslims practice astrology even though it is contrary to Islamic teachings (it's contrary to Christian teachings too). Adam 05:26, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This wikipedia is useless. All the articles are from answers.com . Please write something different. Iw would rather prefer an accumalation of data not duplicate encyclopedias.

- Varadh

I wrote this article. Answers.com ripped it off from here. Adam 12:52, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

She is a hindu convert. She is not at all muslim

-Ganagadhar

If you're so adamant about this, why don't you provide us with a credible citation? Also, please don't delete others' comments from talk pages. That's pure vandalism. -- Hadal 04:19, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It may be of interest that she and her husband have two sons, both of whose first names are "Muhammad." She seems to be a Muslim who is also comfortable with Hindu-derived aspects of Indonesian culture. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 18:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The "Megawatt" story[edit]

I recall reports in the U.S. media in 2001 that Sukarno chose her daughter's name because it is a homophone of "megawatt" and Sukarno supported hydroelectric projects as a step toward modernization. I have not been able to confirm this as fact, and suspect it is incorrect. It doesn't seem to be mentioned in Sukarno's autobiography, for instance. I mention this because I am probably not the only person on earth who read those stories. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 18:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

cut 'n' paste of Presidency to Post-Suharto Era[edit]

Please note that I've effected a cut-n-paste from here to the Post-Suharto Era. Smilo Don (talk) 09:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was far too extensive; the article now says nothing at all about her presidency. Please include a reasonable amount of relevant information in this article as well. Everyking (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is almost no information about her presidency, can someone please expand this section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.57.192 (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a serious omission that reflects on the inability of us WP editors to agree on a neutral description. I cut the quip about "famously refused to congratulate" SBY, which is meaningless without describing the reasons for her feelings (i.e., the whole controversy about his supposed "isolation" within her cabinet in 2003). Let's provide a summary of her whole presidency, at the least by copy-paste from History of Indonesia page. Martindo (talk) 01:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

A footnote to the first sentence of the lede identifies "Sukarnoputri" as a common misspelling. Would it be more accurate to call this an alternative spelling preferred in the West, or as a difference between old spelling/new spelling? Otherwise it sounds like a mere typo, rather than the name nearly always used in major Western media. Ewulp (talk) 22:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's even odder that the title of the article still uses "Sukarnoputri", if that is indeed a mis-spelling. It looks silly to have one title for the article and then say in the text that it's wrong! If the article title is wrong, why not move it? 81.159.57.7 (talk) 13:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I changed the spelling for consistency, This is the spelling also used by two out of three of the major Indonesian English language media (the Jakarta Globe: see http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/article/20707.html and Tempo: see http://www.tempo.co.id/hg/nasional/2009/04/23/brk,20090423-172231,uk.html). (The Jakarta Post uses 'Soekarnoputri': see http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/05/24/indonesian-too-open-foreign-culture-mega-pro.html). Outside Indonesia, other users of the 'Sukarnoputri' spelling include the BBC at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1452246.stm, CNN at http://edition.cnn.com/2001/fyi/lesson.plans/07/23/indonesia.megawati/ and Britannica.com at http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/572221/Megawati-Sukarnoputri I anybody wants to change to revert to 'Soekarnoputri, can I suggest we take this to the Indonesia Project talkpage? Davidelit (talk) 14:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Avoid Media Echoes[edit]

I cut the nonsense in the Early Life section about "critics of her intellect". The LA TImes article cited as "support" merely said "some critics question her intellect" -- this is a vague echo of other sources and does not suffice as a valid citation in WP. The Christian Science Monitor article talked about her "cautious" approach to change, which alienated some of her supporters -- nothing about her academic or intellectual abilities.

I don't see this type of aspersion highlighted in the WP pages for other public figures in Indonesia, so I'm wondering how and why it got credence here.

We should be wary of citing sources that merely echo positive or negative labels (e.g., "she is indecisive") without providing any specific details. Such sources are a form of gossip mongering, not a form of verification. Martindo (talk) 00:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three years later, I see that Early Life is gone and we have almost no biography here other than her family lineage and politics. Isn't there something neutral we can say about her childhood, the effect on her education of her father being overthrown, etc.? Martindo (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is, but few editors have access to the Indonesian-language biographies that would have all the good information. We've got several pictures of her as a child though, on Commons. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Year of independence proclaimed[edit]

The Independence of Indonesia was proclaimed in 1945 according to the reliable international sources alike, the Dutch transfer sovereignty was in 1949. However, both from the National and International recognition, the date of independence was officially in 17th August 1945.

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Eustatius Strijder (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Both of those articles state that Indonesian independence was proclaimed on 17 August 1945. Nobody is disputing this. However, the fact remains that the United Nations recognizes 1949 as the date independence was actually achieved. See: [1]. It seems to me that in the interest of neutrality, this is the date that Wikipedia should use. Incidentally, does Indonesia recognize the independence of East Timor as dating from the 1975 proclamation? Davidelit (Talk) 03:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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