Talk:Roberto Calvi

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Citation Errors

The citation for the introduction of the Banco Ambrosiano Scandal is linked only to the term "Opus Dei." One should find a credible, relevant source that supports the same correct information, and replace that citation instead. Fhoffman1206 (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2016 (UTC)fhoffman1206

Godfather

Should a Godfather Part III reference be included, similar to the one on Pope John Paul I's page?

I am having trouble finding out exactly when and where the quote attributed Calvini about Godfather was made, I think it was in a book, all i know is that it was in 1982 and was either said in London or the book was published in London. Any help?

I am sure it is in the rupert cornwell's book.

Calvi had to die because of the solidarity of the CIA

The real reason why Calvi was assassinated was because he knew huge CIA funds are being moved across Vatican banks to finance the Solidarity's fight to topple the communist regime in Poland. He protested that such acts are incompatible with the Vatican Treaty and could result in the destructive persecution of the entire catholic religion if exposed. 195.70.32.136 08:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Now murder, 21 years later! AyeOk, spell skullduggery

Lets blame Iran...and say Saddam was in on it, then we could link it to Osama and say Hugo Chavez financed it.

Dean [Mar04, the year of our Lord Two Thousand and Six]

EXPLANATION: Mafia Expert has twice deleted references to a recent case of another corrupt, Opus Dei associated Italian banker (Gianmario Roveraro) also found dead under a bridge. Mafia Expert is certain that the two cases are "TOTALLY UNRELATED" and seems unwilling to let users see the cross-references. The discussion is set out below.

Also removed - without discussion - was a reference to the manner of Calvi's death - "without ground below [the victim's] feet, and without heaven above his head". References to an alleged masonic oath providing this punishment were reported in the press at the time of Calvi's death.

REQUESTS: (1) Third party comments on the appropriateness or otherwise of including the additional reference and external link (to the London Times).

(2) That both my sets of edits be reinstated, thus reverting the page to this format: page with WikiFlier's edits and external link

Thank you. WikiFlier 06:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

First of all, Mafia Expert did not twice delete the reference to Roveraro, but only once. The second time it was deleted by somebody who apparently agreed with my deletion. I would appreciate a rectification on this. Mafia Expert 12:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

You should read the book of Ferdinando Imposimato "a judge in Italy" who said it was the mafia, via the magliana (Carboni, a friend of Berlusconi, had relations with magliana's godfather) and cosa nostra, who killed Calvi, took the documents he had brought with him in London in order to threaten the vatican.

Links to Roveraro

I removed references to the Roveraro killing in 2006. Apart from the fact that Roveraro was a banker and part of Opus Dei, the two murders are completely unrelated. -- Mafia Expert 08:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

RESTORED link to Roveraro. It is for readers to decide whether two cases of corrupt Opus Dei affiliated bankers found dead under bridges may possibly, conceivably be related. It is certainly legitimate to offer a factual, SOURCED reference to this recent case. Please refrain from censoring it again. Thank you. WikiFlier 18:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I still don't agree. The two cases are TOTALLY UNRELATED and by including Roveraro you suggest there is a link. Are we now going to list every dead banker or Opus Dei member on this page? I suggest you write an article on Roveraro and make a category of Opus Dei bankers found dead under a bridge. Mafia Expert 19:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps Mafia Expert is not familiar with Venn diagrams. We are not talking about "all bankers", or "all Opus Dei" members. We are talking about the set of all individuals who satisfy ALL of the following conditions:

(i) were known to be senior members of Opus Dei;

(ii) were known to be corrupt senior bankers;

(iii) were exposed as part of a far wider scandal implicating other powerful players in Italian politics and the Catholic Church;

AND

(ix) were found dead under a bridge in mysterious circumstances.

The intersection of these sets is fortunately small at present.

Users can make up their own minds - based on the article itself and the additional info provided in the external link to a reputable source - whether or not the Roveraro case is indeed TOTALLY UNRELATED, or whether it is disturbingly similar given the stated similarities.

Mafia Expert, could you please agree to let the two-sentence reference stand, at least until other editors have had an opportunity to provide their opinion? Thank you. WikiFlier 06:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No I do not. Sorry. Venn diagrams or not: the two cases are not directly related. However, the solution to create a link in the "see also" section (see the suggestion below by Tazmaniacs) could resolve the problem, if you agree. This way there is a link for people who are interested in Opus Dei bankers found dead under a bridge, while no direct link is made between Calvi and the Ambrosiano failure and Roveraro. OK? (PS. Tazmaniacs is NOT yet another alias of Mafia Expert). Mafia Expert 13:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for putting forward speculative theories. At present there is no serious evidence linking the death of Roveraro to the death of Roberto Calvi in any way whatsoever. If this changes, so will the article. The media has noted some similarities between the two cases, but that is all that can be said at the present time.--Ianmacm 07:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

'Reply from WikiFlier: I agree that Wikipedia is not the place to "put forward speculative theories", and my text section does nothing of the sort.

The additional two sentences refer to a pertinent related matter readers may or may not choose to pursue further (e.g. by clicking the external link I provided). This is common practice both on Wikipedia and in professional writing - the presumption is always IN FAVOR of providing a short reference.

Again, the purpose is to let the reader decide, not to prejudge a bona fide issue on which you seem certain to have the only correct answer. As you note (but I wasn't aware), the media have observed disturbing similarities between the Calvi and Roveraro cases.

Similarities do not mean that the two cases are related. Mafia Expert 13:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

A short statement and external link as provided belongs in the article to provide a complete and up-to-date picture of this unresolved case. Thank you, WikiFlier 08:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. May I assume that you Ianmacm, are identical with Mafia Expert?

No, you may not. Apparently it does not seem to get to you that other people also do not agree with you. A little less paranoia might help to discuss this issue in a decent way. Mafia Expert 12:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Why not create an article for Gianmario Roveraro (all in all, he's dead) and put it in the "see also" section? I'm also surprised that WikiFlyer didn't relate him to the Parmalat scandal as in the Times article. Tazmaniacs 11:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with putting a link in the "see also" section. That seems appropriate. But not at the top. The other topics in the "see also" section are much more important and much more related. So I put it at the bottom. I hope everybody can live with this. Maybe WikiFlyer can now concentrate on linking Roveraro to the Parmalat case. That makes much more sense. Mafia Expert 12:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Note from Ianmacm: All of my contributions to Wikipedia are posted under the username ianmacm and I do not use sock puppet accounts. Nor am I certain about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of Roberto Calvi or Gianmario Roveraro. There is still a long way to go on the investigation into Roveraro's death and the new link to the separate article should settle the matter for the time being.--Ianmacm 16:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification about your identities which I accept.

An apology would be more appropriate... Mafia Expert 18:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

We are still left with the issue of how to deal with uncertainty - in this case about possible connections/similarities between the Calvi and Roveraro cases. Many Wikipedia articles include references (in the body text) to related/similar cases. This can be very helpful to a reader and indeed may spur further input from other editors. Relegating such links to a mere footnote is NOT good writing style - a reader should be alerted in a sparse manner to the reference, not left to discover a link accidentally.

Similarly, the references to a Roveraro article are a red herring - at present, there is no such article. The question thus becomes whether we include a reference and external link to the Roveraro story in the Times. There are clearly significant similarities that amply justify a reference to a POSSIBLY relevant story. Unlike Mafia Expert, I have insufficient knowledge to be certain at this stage that the similar Roveraro case is "TOTALLY UNRELATED".

Roveraro's Parmalat connection would clearly be relevant in a Wikipedia article about Roveraro. However, we are here talking about adding a reference to the Roveraro case in the Calvi article. For purposes of this reference, the details of Roveraro's alleged corruption would be excessive. WikiFlier 19:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I am unable to add anything new to this debate. There is a BBC news article at [1] which has been added to the newly created Wikipedia article Gianmario Roveraro. --Ianmacm 21:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Ianmacm. There is an article on Roveraro now. I suggest WikiFlyer to expand that one. I have sufficient knowledge to know the Calvi and Roveraro cases are unrelated: just read the Italian press. There are similarities, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO RELATION WHATSOEVER. The point is to add relevant information to an article, not start some kind of rogue theory about a world conspiracy of Opus Dei bankers. If you like you can add some more information at the "see also" section to make your point (including the link to BBC News article), but I think that would be sufficient. We are clearly not going to agree on this point. I and others have proposed alternatives to try to reach some kind of agreement. It would be very much appreciated to see some flexibility from your side as well. Mafia Expert 21:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Edits by 192.246.0.76

192.246.0.76 writes on 12 Sept 2006: This article should be linked to both Roveraro, Sidona, and Parmalat. All three scandals have some similarities. Sidona exploited the same banking loopholes as Cavli. Roveraro was killed under similar circumstances to Calvi. The Parmalat scandal is especially saddening because it is a corporate finance version of the Calvi scandal -- assets in offshore entities vastly over-stated. Fraudulent financial reporting isn't limited to companies like WorldCom and Enron, and isn't all that new either.

Ianmacm writes: Due to the controversial nature of Roberto Calvi's death and the ongoing court case in Rome, any major changes to the page should be properly sourced with references to mainstream media articles. The implied claim that Graziella Corrocher (Calvi's secretary) died other than by suicide is controversial and should not be made by insinuation as has been done on two occasions in recent edits by 192.246.0.76. Also, 192.246.0.76 does not give the name of the name of the other Banco Ambrosiano executive who had been "killed in an apparent non-suicide" (more insinuation without providing facts.) Since 192.246.0.76 is an unregistered member it would be helpful if he/she registered and read the ground rules for good writing style on Wikipedia. As mentioned previously on the talk page, the article about Roberto Calvi in Wikipedia is a biography of Roberto Calvi only and not a forum for discussing flaws in the financial system as a whole. This is beyond the scope of the article, and links with other financial scandals should not be made unless there is a clear and direct link. In the light of this, I have reversed the edits by 192.246.0.76 but will do further research and would ask 192.246.0.76 not to put back the material that has been removed without giving mainstream media sources.--Ianmacm 20:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

192.246.0.76 writes on 13 Sept 2006: The details I added are well known to those who are familiar with the case. Would you require that every fact be sourced? If so, then there are only five or six sentences in the article that would remain. Shall we reduce the article to the sourced facts only or take a more reasonable approach to the subject? Why should we question whether Calvi's suicide was in fact a suicide but not question whether his secretary's death was wrongly determined to be a suicide? Why would we not place Calvi's scandal into the larger context of financial scandals in Italy and worldwide? Please read up on the Calvi scandal before deleting my improvements to the article again.

If a suggestion that Graziella Corrocher did not kill herself by jumping out of a window is introduced into the article, it will have to be signposted with a note that it is a theory that has been suggested rather than proven. Likewise, the suggestion that Calvi was hanged by men using a boat underneath the bridge remains an unproven theory and would also have to be signposted in this way. The phrase "two scandals too late for Messrs. Calvi and Sidona" is also too dramatic and seems to be designed to make a point rather than report the facts. There have been many financial scandals over the years, but the article about Roberto Calvi is first and foremost about Calvi and Banco Ambrosiano. The best way to deal with other financial scandals such as Michele Sidona and Parmalat would be to add a "See also" link at the bottom of the page linking to the relevant pages on Wikipedia. Michele Sidona currently lacks a Wikipedia article and this is something that could be added by someone with the time and knowledge to do this. There is plenty of scope for editing the page about Calvi but in order to remain a good encyclopedia article it should conform to Wikipedia guidelines. I have modified the text and kept all but one of the points added by 192.246.0.76. Wikipedians must be team players and listen to constructive criticism. I have done this and would ask 192.246.0.76 to do the same.--Ianmacm 16:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Although there is no Wikipedia article for Michele Sidona, there is one under the name Michele Sindona. This is a bit of a puzzle as his name seems to be spelled both ways. For the sake of avoiding more controversy, the reference to Sindona in the Calvi article notes that he died after drinking poisoned coffee and does not go into detail about whether foul play was involved. I have also added some links to other Wikipedia articles that look at financial scandals in a more general way.--Ianmacm 18:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

69.255.0.91 writes on 29 September 2006:

I'm all for teamwork. Generally the best solution is to add your facts and leave others to add theirs. Wikipedia is an experimental format and most people understand that it is not supposed to be as tidy as the Children's Encyclopedias found in the living room bookcase. Like all of the Internet, Wikipedia benefits from many viewpoints all on the same page and many sources. The dramatic description that Italian banking reform arrived two scandals too late for Messrs. Calvi and Sidona is a worthwhile observation of fact. Many senior executives who find themselves in huge financial scandals arrive there due to loopholes that should not exist. In my locality we had a man steal $2 million and then shoot himself when caught. It turns out that if he had not worked for government, the audit procedures in small businesses would have caught him so quickly he would never had tried the crime. Sadly for him, his family, and the taxpayers, the safeguards on the public funds did not arrive until after his death. The public still hasn't received a full accounting of the missing funds. The police will not investigate for a motive or co-conspirators because it is considered a suicide.

Confusing wording

Vatican Bank (which is often referred to as the Istituto per le Opere Religiose or Institute of Religious Works),

The Istituto per le Opere Religiose or Institute of Religious Works is often referred to as the Vatican Bank as IOR is the legal name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.40.192.95 (talk) 16:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Surprise verdict?

Was the verdict in the Calvi trial a surprise? The Times article at [2] says it was, but this is a media comment rather than a fact. I removed this from the article because it seemed not to be Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. In many ways, the verdict was no great surprise because it was based largely on the word of Mafia informers long after the event, and it would have been more of a surprise if the defendants had been found guilty on this type of evidence alone. For these reasons I have reworded the article slightly.--Ianmacm 16:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

To many it was a surprise because the case seemed to be very solid from the start due to the evidence from pentiti. That is why I reverted it back again. It gives some flavour to the expectations of finding the final truth about the case that were frustrated by the verdict. I think it is important to reflect that. - Mafia Expert 22:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I cannot agree with expressing the verdict in this way. Evidence from informers is traditionally weak, and it would have been very surprising if the judge or a court of appeal had allowed a guilty verdict to stand purely on word of mouth evidence. Although the verdict was seen as a surprise in some quarters, the need for Wikipedia:Neutral point of view means that comment cannot be portrayed as encyclopedic material. Please reconsider on this.--Ianmacm 09:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

We are becoming bogged down on an unimportant issue. What matters is that the five defendants were all acquitted on the order of the judge. It does not matter either way whether the verdict was a surprise, as this is a comment rather than a direct report of what happened. As CP Snow said: "Comment is free, but facts are sacred." [3] The main purpose of the previous edit was to make a distinction between comment and fact, which was fully in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. It is OK to point out that some or even many people regarded the verdict as a surprise, but this should be expressed as a comment rather than stated as if it were a fact.--Ianmacm 11:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The fact is that it came as a surprise to many - that is not comment and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view has nothing to do with it. Furthermore, the surprise had nothing to do with the ruling that it was murder and not suicide. If you think it is not important, why are you making such a fuss about it? - Mafia Expert 12:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not denying that some people regarded the verdict as a surprise. However, whether it was a surprise or not does not alter the fact that the judge threw out the charges. I also accept that Calvi's death was probably murder rather than suicide. On a personal note, my recollection of trials in Northern Ireland has made me wary of trials where evidence from informers is the only major source of evidence. There is a risk that evidence may be given to settle old scores, and one person's word against another person's is not strong evidence, particularly long after the event. Verdicts by Diplock courts are regarded as controversial, since normal rules of scrutiny of evidence by a jury have been bypassed. Even if the evidence of the Mafia pentitos such as Francesco Marino Mannoia was given in good faith, it would be difficult to verify it after such a long period of time. All that I have tried to do here is to keep the wording within Wikipedia guidelines.--Ianmacm 15:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we do not disagree that much. I just want to express the fact that it came as a surprise to some. But I guess we have solved that, although I changed the wording: "some quarters" is a bit vague, I changed it into observers. In Italy testimony of a pentito has to be backed up by facts and circumstances. The testimony alone can never lead to a conviction. I think your comparison to Diplock courts does not really apply here, but you are right in saying that 25 years after the killing it would be difficult to find the evidence to back up the testimonies of the pentiti. - Mafia Expert 15:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The main reason why the judge threw out the charges is likely to be the lack of corroborating evidence. This means that there must be some independent evidence backing up the oral testimony. Without this, a verdict in a criminal trial would be considered unsafe and unlikely to be upheld by an appeal court.--Ianmacm 16:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Links with Gladio

I removed "said to have links to Gladio, an anti-Communist NATO stay-behind organization involved in the strategia della tensione during the 1970s and 1980s. [4]" I see no mention of those links in the reference. One can link every scandal in Italy with everything, but these kind of giant conspiracy theories generally do not help to understand what the different actors interests are. If there is no better link I suggest to put this kind of statements under Further reading or See also (it is already under that heading anyway). - Mafia Expert 18:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The link specifically mentions the strategy of tension. It is not my aim to endorse speculative theories, only to point out some of the things that have been said in conjunction with Calvi's death. Philip Willan's recent book contains theories that would be regarded as speculative and unverified by Wikipedia standards, but people should be able to read about them and make up their own minds. However, I am not going to argue about this edit.--Ianmacm 19:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the repeated insertion of conspiratorial notions about Operation Gladio and its relationship to terrorism is a sham, all across Wikipedia. Making use of the "strategy of tension" notion is a nice way to not have to live up to factual information for claims to be made. On another note, Francesco Pazienza is not mentioned yet in this article... Intangible2.0 14:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Link to philipwillan.com

This link has been removed because it runs into problems with WP:EL. When a person clicks on this link, what they get is no real information about the Calvi case other than a "buy it now" link for Philip Willan's new book. This is clearly not in line with Wikipedia policy. The ISBN of the book is already mentioned in the article, and a link to a newspaper review of the book for good measure. There is no need for the external links section to be used as an online bookstore.--Ianmacm 14:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

We seem to be going round in circles on this. In my opinion the link is unacceptable for the reasons given above, and also because direct links to personal websites are discouraged by WP:EL unless there is a good reason. It would also be helpful if the IP-based user who keeps adding this link identified themselves and discussed their rationale on the talk page. It is becoming boring to remove this link repeatedly, although it does seem to be a violation of WP:EL.--Ianmacm 15:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of www.philipwillan.com link

I asked the person who created my personal website for me to put a link to it on the wikipedia page for Roberto Calvi, to which my site links. It has been repeatedly removed. I don't know whether the person who removed it bothered to look at the site first. It contains many articles on the Calvi story written by me and others, the introduction and first chapter of my book, photographs of Calvi as a young man and later, photographs of some of the defendants from the Rome murder trial, and evidence photos from that trial. Though designed to promote my book, the site contains a wealth of information that I believe people interested in Calvi might be interested to read. It also provides access to my previous book, Puppetmasters, that can be read online and contains more information relevant to this theme: P2, terrorism, Gelli, Magliana Gang etc. I also cannot understand why my book has been removed from the reference section and you prefer to list a book that was published more than 20 years ago and another (Yallop) that is only in small part about Calvi. It seems to me that it would be a service to readers of the page to provide bibliographical details of a new book, published in April 2007, that is entirely devoted to the subject of this page. Philip Willan (info@philipwillan.com)

Philip Willan is clearly a reliable source and it is not spamming to add him here. Tazmaniacs 17:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not have any problem with mentioning the book as follows:

Willan, Philip (2007). The Last Supper: the Mafia, the Masons and the Killing of Roberto Calvi, London: Constable & Robinson, 2007 ISBN 1845292960 (Review in The Observer)

and was not the person who removed this, so thanks for pointing this out. The sticking point has been the link to the front page of a personal website which usually violates Wikipedia guidelines as mentioned above. The buy it now link is also likely to get some editors reaching for the undo button very quickly as it looks like an attempt to sell a commercial product.

I had a look round the website www.philipwillan.com for material related to the Calvi case, and frankly did not find much text that was not already covered by the Wikipedia article. The most useful thing on the site is the photo gallery, which contains some rarely-seen pictures of Roberto Calvi. This is the sort of thing that could be used as an external link, since it adds value to the Wikipedia article, rather than the main page of www.philipwillan.com which looks like a page from an online bookstore. If we could agree on adding a link to the photogallery at http://www.philipwillan.com/Photo%20of%20Calvi/index.html rather than the front page of the site, it might offer a way out of this impasse. I would not recommend adding www.philipwillan.com again in its current form, since it is unsuitable and is will almost certainly be removed, if not by me then by someone else.--Ianmacm 17:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have added a link to the photo gallery since it the most relevant thing for enhancing the Wikipedia article. At present, the article contains the following:

a) A mention of Philip Willan's book together with its ISBN.

b) A link to a newspaper review of the book.

c) A link to a page on Philip Willan's website.

This is a good deal in my view, and cannot lead to the allegation that Mr Willan's views are being ignored.--Ianmacm 17:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. This solution suits me fine, though I might have preferred the Financial Times review, which is longer and more positive! Philip Willan.

The Financial Times review is at [5] --Ianmacm 19:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I also think it's fine, although I personally find the list of articles on Calvi more interesting than photos (but I'm sure an artist would make wonders with Calvi's photos !) Tazmaniacs 00:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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Diagram

Anyone interested in making a diagram of all this? Actors/interelationships —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.74.90 (talk) 02:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I would love to see such diagrams. I think that a specialist should undertake the exercise. I do not think that such material would run afoul of the restriction against original research.

Estéban (talk) 09:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

A question of redundancy

Is there any reason why the year is included in the section titled "Films about Calvi's 1982 death"? It suggests he died in more than one year. If no one objects, I'm going to edit "1982" out for being redundant. Marshall Stax (talk) 04:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

What has happened to the second investigation?

Can anybody please help improve this article (and the Licio Gelli one), by indicating what, if anything, has happened to the reported second investigation since June 2007? Tlhslobus (talk) 09:46, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

With all due respect, but I already provided that information: In May 2009, the case against Licio Gelli was filed. According to the magistrate there was insufficient evidence to argue that the former head of the secret Masonic lodge P2 had played a role in the planning and execution of the crime. - DonCalo (talk) 13:02, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, DonCalo, and my apologies for not noticing that it was already there. I've now copied the information to the Gelli article.Tlhslobus (talk) 06:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, do you by any chance know what precisely is meant by 'the case was filed'? I suspect I may not be the only reader who is not too clear about what this means. Would it be incorrect to say the case against him was 'dropped'? If that is incorrect, can you think of any other expression that might clarify what is meant? Please note that 'a case was filed against him' normally means 'a case was brought against him', which seems to be the opposite of what is meant here. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Filed in terms of archived... But maybe dropped is better. - DonCalo (talk) 18:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

biography?

This article is ostensibly a biography, but the first date in the body text is the year the subject of the article died? What about his parents, schooling, and early career? Given the talk page's domination with conspiracy theories, maybe this is the best that can be expected, but one would hope for more. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 13:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately very few information. Compare the German Wikipedia which says that Calvi worked since 1947 in the Banco Ambrosiano. --TennisOpa (Discussion) 12:09, 8. Sep. 2018 (CEST)

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Reason why the bank lost so much monay

Does someone know why Calvi lost so much of the mafia monay? That is the reason why he has been killed or committed suicide for sure. I heard a reason once, that the monay was lost during a funding of a political campaign outside of europe and that the monay was not fully repaid during "religious issues". Well, i dont know if it was Calvi or annother christian banker later in time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:8A80:88C:1C1C:896:CF00:3B9D (talk) 18:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)