Talk:Muskogean languages

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corrections[edit]

Made a few corrections. Mikasuki is a modern dialect of Hitchiti, not a separate language. There is no 'Seminole' language. Members of the Seminole Tribe(s) speak Muskogee or Mikasuki (and many times both). Emb021

again, made same corrections. Mikasuki, Hitchiti, Creek, and Seminole are not four separate language, but actually 2. --Emb021 21:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

genetic relations[edit]

should probably mention the alternate classification of Pamela Munro. peace — ishwar (SPEAK) 06:58, 2005 May 24 (UTC)

I changed this section name from "Genetic relations" to "Relationships with other languages", since the text was about other languages that might be related to Muskogean and not about genetics. Pfly (talk) 21:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the map right?[edit]

The map seems to show an eastern limit for the Muskogean languages that is too far to the west, including very little of modern Georgia and Florida based on first-contact with English settlers in the 17th and 18th centuries. Or is the implication that the group had grown so far to the east only AFTER first-contact with the Spanish, which undoubtedly had a disruptive effect and may have led to disease-related dieouts of nearby tribes? If that's the case, some discussion of that point would be warranted. Ftjrwrites (talk) 21:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was also struck by the map's eastern limit. IIRC John R. Swanton thought that Hitchiti was probably the principal language of Georgia as late as the 18th century (although he may have been assuming the Yamassees spoke a form of Hitchiti). In any case Muskogee settlement in several Georgia river valleys between 1690 and the Yamassee War should be reflected on the map, and the Creeks had towns in the Chattahoochee valley, around present-day Atlanta, until 1821, and the Flint valley until about 1827. Last but not least, the Seminole territory throughout Florida ought to be shown as well, from the Alachua valley around Gainesville (Seminole in the 18th century) to the Everglades, and spots where Seminole and Mikasuki are spoken today. And I don't understand why the Mobile delta and Florida panhandle would be omitted from the Muskogean language range; even if Pensacola and other petits nations languages are not found to be Muskogean, Muskogee itself was often spoken there; besides, Creek and Choctaw Indians marketed goods in Pensacola and Mobile into the 1830s. Travel accounts, journalism, and artwork from the period document this. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 18:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Map completely unlabelled[edit]

So, usually these types of language family maps atleast label all the languages. What happened here? Why only pink blobs with no text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.125.173.118 (talk) 09:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]