User talk:Grutness/archive05

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RFAs

My RFA

Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Although the voting period just ended with a 14-8-2 vote, I will admit once and for all that I used it more as an evaluation of myself. Being promoted would have been a plus. I was more interested in who voted, when they voted, who would change their votes and when, and the comments I would receive. Hopefully I will correct the main weakness that was raised by those who voted oppose -- that I was too eager to put articles on VFD. Also, I will try to interact more with those Wikipedians who did not vote at all.

As for next month, I don't know if I will nominate myself again. I might not think about it until somebody else puts me up there on RFA at a later date. Eventually, I see myself as an admin, especially as the number of articles and users continues to grow. Thanks again and good luck at improving this vast archive of free knowledge. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 09:15, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

What a year! My first year in Wiki, a featured article and now administrator. Thank you for your support. I feel honored to have befriended you. Tony the Marine (UTC)

replied 06:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Thank you for asking, it certainly is something to think about. I do hope to be an admin eventually, but I don't think I'm ready for it yet. I have a major commitment looming at the end of July (the bar exam). If you're still inclined to nominate me after that time, I will gladly pursue the opportunity. -- BD2412 ^talk 02:57, 2005 May 20 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks for supporting my vote, and for adding such a nice comment :).--Wiglaf 21:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Sig image

Use if images in signatures is discouraged for several reasons. See Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages#Appearance. -Casito⇝Talk 04:53, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I know - I've actually done some editing work on that page. You might also note that it is not official policy, just a recommendation, as there is not a clear consensus supporting it. If there was any way that I could put my signature as a text item I would. Unfortunately, my signature is the picture - by which I mean that the Uffington White Horse is how I sign my name when writing or painting. To do otherwise here would feel as though it was not me doing the work. It's interesting, though, that after 25000 edits and a couple of months as an admin, I've had virtually no complaints (from memory, you are the second to mention it in the last six months). If there are many I'll definitely have to consider it, though. Grutness|^hello?

Hi, I was just about to mention it and I didn't wan't to start a new post. The server has been acting up lately (for me anyway) and putting images is just an extra strain. Howabout1 20:50, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Sigh... okay... it feels weirdly like it's someone else doing the writing now, though :( Grutness...wha? 07:10, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see it go.-gadfium 08:26, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks - me too, but they're right, it does put a stress on the servers. Maybe someone will work out how to fix that sometime, but for now, I'll stick with this. Grutness...wha?

Francis Petre

Its amazing isn't it how this page continues to grow, and hopefully after Friday, a lot more New Zealand edits and information will come along (we'll probably spend the weekend better incorporating them) This really is now one of the most informed studies on him on the internet. This has been so much more interesting and rewarding than the European subjects I've done, as this has been more discovery (for me anyway) I had never heard of him two months ago! Giano | talk 07:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Iwi & Hapu

Here is a really poetic description extracted from www.ngatiwhakaue.iwi.nz. It kind of puts it into perspective nicely...

The word whanau, family, means to give birth. "We are bound to our whanau, our family, by birth." The word hapu, extended family group, means to become pregnant. The hapu is made up of family groups bound together by marriage. The word for tribe, the word iwi, also means 'bones'.

MUCH more poetic and richer then either of us came up with.

• Ngati Whakaue

Nevillednz 13:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Stubs

Morocco geo stubs

Hi Grutness. Thanks for mentionning that to me. I'll deal with it today and re-fix that the way your explained. Cheers Svest 05:58, May 5, 2005 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up}

Euro-royal-stub

While I appreciate the effort to disambiguate stubs, I object to the conflation of "royal" and "noble". They aren't the same thing and {{Euro-royal-stub}} shouldn't be referring to European nobility. If you have no serious objections, I'm going to move it to euro-noble-stub. Mackensen (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

There was a long debate at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria about the creation of this stub type, and it was decided that, since the two distinct types of article would be likely edited by the same group of editors, it makes sense to only have one stub. Stub templates, remember, are for the benefit of editors, not readers. Having two separate stubs will only mean that the same editors have to look in twice as many categories for articles to work on. Grutness...wha?

My concern is that you don't seem to have asked any of us noble/royal/peerage people before going ahead with this scheme. I've also heard concerns about just what constitutes "Europe" (i.e. certain Kings of Jerusalem ought to qualify as European royalty). Also, the message at the bottom is simply incorrect (and grammatically vague). Monarchs aren't nobles, not always, and vice-versa. I really object to this conflation, and I don't think it's that great a hardship for editors to look through two categories instead of one. Mackensen (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I've gone and commented at the stub-sorting page. I apologize for acting so hastily–I was so concerned about what looked like someone ignoring my groups policies it didn't occur to me that I was running afoul of someone else's. Ah well, so goes the balkanization of Wikipedia. Best, Mackensen (talk) 01:59, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Religious Image

Heyas, read your reply at Template:Reli-stub and agree with the actions taken for your reasons. Apologies for stepping on any toes. I was being bold, but boldness without attention to the community is never quite good. Thanks for reviewing my edit. -SocratesJedi | Talk 03:06, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Nah - that's fine. being bold is often the best thing. Hope I didn't tread on your toes too hard! :) Grutness|^hello? 03:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

multiple stub templates?

hi grutness, apologies if i could have easily found the answer to this somewhere else, but i haven't seen it- what is the policy on multiple stub templates? ie, is it ok for an article to be a stub in several different categories, or should it only be in one category? it doesn't seem that a stub should be three different kinds of stub, but i'm not sure what the other option would be if it fits into several categories/projects/etc. thanks alot. --Heah (talk) 05:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Heah - Stub policy is going through a major rewrite at the moment, but the current draft's wording says If an article overlaps two potential categories, two different stub templates may be used, but using more than two is strongly discouraged. (The full current policy draft is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting, BTW) Grutness...wha?

{{image-stub}}

Hi, thanks for your comments and recommendations. I have updated the proposed template article I created. User:Who/ReqImage <> Who 02:22, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

stubs

Hi, again. I totally forgot about the Australia and Sweden stubs, or I would have posted them on the discussion page as well. Unfortunately I created the France actor stub before I knew about the discussion page. You can be assured that it wont happen again. Thanks for your understanding. <> Who 17:03, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

That's OK - just make sure it doesn't (sternly wags finger) :) Grutness...wha? 01:44, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Australia stubs

Hi there, yeah I figured out the australia-geo-stub thing for a couple of them. Will do for all in future. Are you really familliar with stub templates? Whenever I try to load the template page it doesn't want to work. If I'm unsure about which stub to use, could I ask you? I'm already familliar with quite a few though. If it's a biography, should you put the country, or just bio-stub? Thanks, --Silversmith 11:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

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Soviet Stub

I will place it at the Wikiportal sometime soon. But thanks for telling the Project people. I personally think the project is done, with everything shifting over to the Wikiportal. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Just thought it would be most useful there. Are there any other projects that might be able to use it (A Ukrainian one, or a Belarus one, perhaps? Or just a 20th century history one?) Grutness...wha?

In answer to your question

yes :) Thryduulf 11:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Thryduulf 12:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Stub matter

Hi there! I was asked to write an article for the Signpost on recent policy or guideline-related matters. Since there has been a lot of things to do with templates recently, I decided to take that as a sub-topic. One of the matters addressed is the recent deprecation of Template:Substub. So what I'd like to ask is, if you can spare the time, could you please look at my draft at User:Radiant!/WikiPrudence and see if there are any glaring errors or omissions? Thanks. Radiant_* 18:13, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

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• Added your suggestion. It should be on WP:SIGN today. Radiant_* 11:54, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations

With the help of your tireless work on the WP:WSS project, we have finally reached the elusive goal of getting rid of generic stubs. It has been a pleasure working with you for these past months.

I would also like to formally apologise for anything I said to you in the past. That lies, most certainly, in the past, but I would like that to make that completely clear. Cheers! --Sn0wflake 02:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Substubs

Substubs 1

I only tag things with a substub if they are nothing more than a line for a subject that pretty likely deserves an article, and I don't have the time to add enough to make them a stub. I have no particular attachment to the template, tho - I'm certainly not keen on folks starting articles this way. -- BD2412 ^thimk 05:53, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

Fair enough - thanks for your comments. Grutness|^hello?

stubs vs. substubs

For the record, I was not using substubs for any particular reason; I just found out that they exist, and decided to start using them (you'll notice they only ever appear in my edits as of yesterday or so). After a short review of the arguments for and against, I think that they should just be thrown in with stubs, because I think that categorizing something as a, for instance, movie-stub, is more useful than categorizing it as a substub, so that people with the appropriate knowledge/interest base can find and enlarge it. So I'll stop using them as of now. And I suppose I should go through and change the ones I added to stubs. -- ericl234 ^talk 08:15, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Stubs and substubs

Hi Grutness! Yeah, I'm one of the few who actually use the substub tag... I think they serve a purpose, but at the same time those articles that deserve "substub" should generally be deleted. I'm open to any and all ideas. Linuxbeak 19:50, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

Re: substubs (again)

Thanks for saying that so politely. (I'm not being sarcastic.) You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion, and I have to say that on some level I agree with you. However, the issue is dead to me. I intend to ease back into Wikipedia and hope that people will eventually forget about the whole substubs thing, so that I can start over. I'm going to add my name to the list of participants in the stub sorting project, as it looks like a very good system to me. I look forward to working together on this. Mike∞Storm 01:07, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

substub votes for deletion

Though I voted keep, I am glad to see that the voting is going toward delete. My keep vote was more a call for a holding action, a "let's let the iron cool" than a "let's keep this forever, it's useful". Courtland 11:24, 2005 May 14 (UTC)

Substub template deletion discussion

I just noticed today that Template:Substub was gone, and went looking for why. The deletion log points to TfD, but there is nothing about it anywhere on the TfD archives. I managed to find the WSS discussion, which also mentioned a TfD discussion. Finally, I found on the TfD history that the discussion was in fact at Template talk:Substub#Vote for deletion.

While most of the argument was on the WSS talk page (and, after reading it, I agree {{substub}} is not needed anymore), I believe the TfD discussion should not be lost.

Could you please either undelete Template talk:Substub or copy the discussion to the TfD archives?

--cesarb 16:25, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Mmm. I'm not sure of the procedure for this, but I'll raise it at Wikipedia talk: Tfd - someone there will know what to do. Grutness...wha? 01:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Chinatowns in Australasia and Oceania

My edit, unlike yours, was completely objective and my nationality bore no influence on it. The fact is Australasia is a term that encompasses New Zealand, and one that is used widely on either side of the Tasman. Anyways, there was duplication in terms, and given the scope, Oceania is preferred and the article was so moved. It can now be found at Chinatowns in Oceania.--Cyberjunkie 08:43, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Apologies if you took my comments personally (perhaps I should have added one of those horrible smiley things) - I have no wish to upset you, as my feelings on your edits are equally positive. However, the term is widely used in some parts of New Zealand to refer to Australia and Papua New Guinea, but not New Zealand. Checking the article's edit history would have revealed that New Zealand had already been moved from the Australasia section to the Oceania section in the past. Reverting it without checking the reasons for the earlier edit was hardly objective. Grutness|^hello?

Dear James, I won't tell Cyberjunkie (though he or she may read it here), but I can assure you that this is the first time in my 64 years in New Zealand that I have come across the idea that the term "Australasia" is used in New Zealand to refer to Australia and Papua New Guinea, but not New Zealand. That sounds more like "Austronesia". - Robin Patterson 12:43, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Just going by how I’ve heard it used, that’s all. Grutness...wha?

Ahoy-hoy

Hello his Grutness! I am not sockpuppet of User:NoPuzzleStranger ([1]). NoPuzzleStranger is Wik. I am not Wik. Hope this clears things up so you can sleep better at night. Yours truly, Starky

Kiwidraw.jpg

Hey. To let you know, I am (painstakingly) trying to draw the Kiwidraw image into a png file. I want to let you know of this before I start to change templates and things like that. Zscout370 (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Painstaking? But it only takes a few key-clicks... have a look at [[Image:kiwidraw.png]] Grutness|^hello? 04:56, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Check Image:Kiwidraw.png now. That is what I wanted to do. Zscout370 (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

VFD

Re: 1968 in France

I agree with you now that the article is certainly fleshed-out enough to warrant its own page rather than just merging, and have noted that on the vfd entry. Might consider dates when appropriate. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention! ESkog 07:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

• I took another look at it, but I still hold that many of the events there (e.g. the olympic games) were of sufficiently global impact to get this merged with 1968 in general. Splitting the year categories by country is, I believe, overspecialized categorization. Yours, Radiant_* 11:42, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Patrick Flynn VfD

Greetings! I'm wondering if you'd take a look at the detective work and the disambiguation that I did on the Patrick Flynn page, and perhaps reconsider your vote for deletion. Best wishes, Jacobw 12:46, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Purple vs. violet

Thanks for fixing up the article. I've changed my vote and informed others of the change. Phil Welch already changed his vote too. Mgm|^(talk) 10:17, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference. I think this page has improved due to the controversy on VFD. Ryan Prior 17:47, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hero of Belarus

Peer Review

Hey James, I was wondering if you wish to look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Hero of Belarus/archive2. Also, your stuff is on the way. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Zach - I really don't know enough about the subject to have any idea about whether it's good (although it does look good, and I will have a look from the point of view of editing, grammar and the like). But - I do know a Polish Wikipedian who deals with a lot of Belarus articles - and I see from his talk page that you know him too. Contact User:Halibutt and ask whether he can have a look at it - I'm sure he'd be keen to help! Grutness...wha?

Its ok. I did run a spell-check on the article, so it is clean now, spelling wise. My main concern is the Babelfish translations, which I know they are off. So that is why I have the Russian names of the various companies. I will drop a note at Halibutt's page, and I am also trying to get User:Husnock to take a peek at it. I know he did major edits to Medal of Honor, a FA about a US medal. Thanks for the help. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Hero of Belarus FAC

Hey James, you wrote "Support - with caveat. Looks good, and you've got my support so long as you manage to get better translations! The Babelfishiness of those translations is pretty obvious. Grutness...wha? 05:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)." I just want to know what sections do you think sound Babelfishish. There are some sections that I wrote on my own that might now make grammar sense, but I know some of the translations are a bit off too. If you can show me where, it will be grateful of you. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:40, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

All fixed. Thanks a bunch. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:48, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

MSIE

I just read your comment about still using an old version of Micro$loth's Internet Exploder. Newer versions a slightly better and safer than old versions, but you really should be using anything but MSIE. See my main user page for my own brief comments on the main Windoze alternative browsers. BlankVerse ∅ 12:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

OU Psych

I'm not sure if you know who I am or not. You're someone that I know by sight, but I started in 1996, and finished in 2003, so I'm not sure if you know who I am or not. I worked with Tamar, we share the same first name, and you may be able to infer my surname from my username... --Limegreen 01:37, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I used to have shoulder length brown hair back in the day, but look a little more conventional now...--Limegreen 02:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Hi

I'm not sure. I know i'm part of a large family which was mainly started around Sunderland, so it is possible. Hedley 16:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Userpage babysitting request

Hey, I need a favor. I'm going to be camping in the woods for the next week (with no internet!!!) from the 23rd through the 27th. Could you watch my various user pages while I'm gone and revert any vandalism? Not that I'm expecting a deluge of vandals upon my departure, but I'd rather be cautious. These are the pages:

1. User:BD2412
2. User talk:BD2412
3. User:BD2412/Archives
4. User:BD2412/Archive - Pandeism discussion
5. User:BD2412/Best_high_schools
6. User:BD2412/signature
7. Wikipedia:Wiki-Hell

Cheers. -- BD2412 ^talk 20:44, 2005 May 20 (UTC)

I've added them to my watchlist. Grutness...wha?

Thanks - better a delayed fix than no fix at all! -- BD2412 ^talk 00:37, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

I also added those pages to my watch list, so your covered. Plus, to Grutness, does WikiPortals work better than WikiProjects? I created one for Russia, and I hope it works well. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:08, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm back a day early - thanks! -- BD2412 ^talk 19:39, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

Glasgow-related edits

WP has a keen new contributor by the name of Babyoil, who probably means well, but, er, well, a look at some of the contributions may explain. I've reverted all those to Glasgow (of which 10% might have some merit, but I lacked the stamina to look); but those to Maryhill, etc., are quite beyond me. As you've done some work on these pages, you might like to keep an eye open for further contributions. -- Hoary 05:23, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

I doubt I know enough to help - my contribution to that page was minimal. Grutness...wha? 05:35, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

B seems to be amiable enough: check his and my talk pages if interested. (I cleared mine out seconds earlier. In the circumstances, thank you for anonymizing your comments on my page.) -- Hoary 05:56, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

That was purely because I forgot to add the sig :) If you think it would be a good idea to remove it again, feel free to do so! Grutness...wha?

No, it's fine. But damn, I always wish that welcome messages and the like didn't urge people to "be bold". I wasn't at all bold when I started, and my lack of boldness (plus my ability to spell, etc.) saved people a lot of trouble. Re-reversion of Glasgow coming soon -- if not by somebody else, then by me. -- Hoary 06:20, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Request

Can you please delete these:

• User:Apollomelos and User talk:Apollomelos, never been banned and never vandalized, I am leaving the project because I no longer have the time to spare contributing to often controversial topics in which I must spend 75% of my time explaining the information to users who did not even bother to read up on the topics and thus are often surprised

and i found the recent comments lodged when another user nominated me for adminship to be beyond offensive, borderline fanatic, attacking me for previous votes in which i supported artwork that contained nudity whilst the morality police tried to destroy them all, furthermore the usage of the word "agenda" when none of my articles have NPOV notices on them Apollomelos 20:03, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

"Where there is no significant abuse, and no administrative need to retain the personal information, you can request that your own user page or talk page be deleted. Most frequently, this occurs when a longterm contributor decides to leave." [2]

:( Sorry to see you go. I hope that, if you get time to contribute again, you might reconsider your decision. Grutness...wha?

Military history of Puerto Rico

It's been a long time! I wrote the article mentioned above and have self-nominated it for Featured article status. Please take a look onWikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Military_history_of_Puerto_Rico and I would be honored if you expressed your opinon. Thank you, Tony the Marine

Thank You For Your Support

I would like to thank all of the Wikipedians who supported and/or contributed to the article Military history of Puerto Rico. Because of Wikipedians like yourself, this article was able to make featured article status. It was my goal to celebrate my first year in Wikipedia with a featured article and you all made it possible. Thank you once again Tony the Marine

Page Protection

Is it legal for my user page to be protected during my moving process, which will take about a month or two to complete? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:54, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Better yet, protected it now. It has been vandalized four times today, and also vandalized during my away time this past weekend. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:16, 30 May 2005 (UTC)