Talk:Lieutenant Kijé

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pronouncing "Kije"[edit]

I have seen and heard it variously described by musicians as being pronounced "kee-gee", "keezh-ay" and "keezh". Given that the first live performance of the work (assumedly sometime after the recording for the film score) was in Prokofiev's adoptive Paris, it is often seen with a French spelling of "Kijé", the accent aigu over the "e" seemingly giving it a "kee-zhay" pronunciation. And yet this article does not include the accent at all which I suspect lends to the original Russian pronunciation of "keezh" (with the "zh" sounding like the "s" in pleasure).

The name is a fiction, so perhaps it's up to interpretation - but assumedly the original novella author, Yury Tynianov wrote ”Podporuchik Kizhe” with something in mind. Prokofiev's music in the end is far more famous and perhaps his interpretation will be the one that lives on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.243.10 (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: the right pronunciation is definitely "kee-ZHAY", with "zh" sounding like "s" in pleasure, and with accent on "zhay". The original Russian title is "Podporuchik Kizhe", "podporuchik" being a rank in Russian imperial army roughly equivalent to "lieutenant". The Tzar mishears the phrase "podporuchiki zhe..." (meaning "and the lieutenants...") as "podporuchik Kizhe..." (i.e. "the lieutenant Kizhe"), whence the fictional person is born. 131.111.8.103 19:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is anyone going to mention that Sting's Cold War song Russians has a major melody from this Piece? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.103.113 (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to post a question here as to whether anyone could confirm for me that the sample came From Kije. I remember it well, but was not 100% sure which Prokofiev piece it was. Now that you've confirmed it I will add a note on that to the article. -R. fiend 16:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

greg lake[edit]

it is also very similar to the melody in Greg Lake's christmas song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.244.3 (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

aigu[edit]

This article really should be moved to "Lieutenant Kijé," with a redirect here at "Lieutenant Kije". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.255.143 (talk) 11:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Troika use at Christmas[edit]

I remember hearing somewhere that this theme was a folk song or Christmas carol before Prokofiev used it. Can anyone confirm or disconfirm that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.45.26 (talk) 15:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the film the Troika music occurs when the fictitious Lt. is recalled from exile, the guards are sat drinking vodka and singing a folk song roughly translated as, "A woman's Heart is like a wayside inn, men coming in and going out all the time". Prokofiev's tune takes the melody from that as they climb into the troika and ride away, drunk. Incidentally the troika in the film is a three horse cart, not a sleigh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.31.77 (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recordings[edit]

I was curious what the intention was for the list of two orchestras who have recorded the suite? Are they supposed to be the most famous and/or most critically acclaimed? I ask because as I type this I'm listening to a recording by an orchestra (Czecho-Slovak State Philharmonic) not mentioned in the list. Jlaramee 19:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parallels[edit]

The TV comedy series "McKeever and the Colonel," set in a military academy, had an episode whose idea almost had to be inspired by the Kije story. The Colonel sees a cadet playing football and asks who it was, and the cadets tell him that it was Miller. More and more feats are attributed to the fictional Miller, until the cadets realize they have to get rid of him and so have him spectacularly fail an exam (one of the cadets holds both exam papers, striving to put the correct answers on his own and deliberately incorrect answers on Miller's), and then resign from the school because he felt that he had disgraced it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.251.228 (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article's lead[edit]

As this article's title says (Lieutenant Kijé (Prokofiev)), it is about Prokofiev's suite, not about the novel on which it is based. The article's lead should say that; see WP:MOS#First_sentences. I suggest:

Lieutenant Kijé is a suite by Sergei Prokofiev from his music to the 1933 film of the same name which was based on the novella by the Soviet author ...

~~The section "Suite from Lieutenant Kijé" could still remain, despite some ensuing duplication.~~ Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now obsolete after the article has been moved to Lieutenant Kijé. Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:26, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]