Talk:Vietnamese language

Old tone classification

There’s a myth that Chinese-based tone names have meaning; they don’t. Like Vietnamese tone names, Chinese tone names are self-referential (and therefore spelling the fourth class “rù”, i.e., in Mandarin, is an oxymoron) and don’t have intrinsic meaning. 仄 simply means any tone that’s not 平 (meaning any tone in the first class; it does not really mean “level”) and does not really mean “sharp”.—al12si (talk) 18:38, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Injunction added to the lead

I have again reverted the addition of the following to the lead:

Transliteration from modern Vietnamese into chữ Nôm or Han script is highly discouraged, because many words now don't have a Nôm or Chinese counterparts.

While I agree with the sentiment, it is out of place in the lead, which is supposed to be a summary of the key points of the article and an overview of the subject. It is hard to imagine an overview of the language published anywhere else including such a statement.

It reads like a Manual of Style injunction directed at Wikipedia editors in support of edits like this[1]. I would suggest that an appropriate place for it would be somewhere in WP: space. Kanguole 17:46, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hmm... where should I put that sentence in then? Maybe at the "Chữ Nôm" section? I think it is necessary to say so somewhere in the article because as a native Vietnamese, seeing people putting both the Vietnamese and Nôm name is extremely annoying and puzzling, because that's not how Vietnamese works. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 17:50, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Your beef is with Wikipedia editors. You should direct this at them, not the readers, who would never think of using an obsolete script. There is no Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Vietnam-related articles, but maybe there should be one. Kanguole 18:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

This isn't correct, I am vietnamese and we don't write like that

That's not the right way to write tones

not correct!!! TommyOrVarnt (talk) 03:15, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@TommyVarnt What writing are you talking about? That's just a visual representation of the tone countours. DHN (talk) 17:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

i thing you need find more information with Learn Chinese-Vietnamese or Nom 2405:4802:905A:4C60:6C95:EBEB:25F3:208F (talk) 17:30, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Recognised minority language

The infobox currently lists China, Czech Republic and Slovakia as countries in which Vietnamese is a recognized minority language. This seems inappropriate:

• While the Gin people are a recognized minority group in China, their original language has no official status.
• There seems to be no evidence that the rights afforded to Vietnamese in the Czech Republic and Slovakia are any different from those afforded to Vietnamese and other minority languages across the countries of the EU.

Kanguole 08:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)