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Section sizes

Section size for People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (48 sections)
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(Top)	27,153	27,153
History	15	81,591
Early years (1965–1971)	5,273	5,273
Schism (1971–1978)	8,136	8,136
1979 Iranian Revolution and subsequent power struggles	2,950	2,950
Electoral disenfranchisement and opposition activity (1980–1981)	2,715	8,873
Hafte Tir bombing	3,125	3,125
Open conflict with the Islamic Republican Party	3,033	3,033
Exile and underground opposition activity (1982–1988)	3,388	13,878
Operations Shining sun, Forty Stars, and Mersad	5,982	5,982
1988 execution of MEK prisoners	4,508	4,508
Post-war Saddam era (1988–2003)	5,207	8,461
2003 French arrests	3,254	3,254
Post-U.S. invasion of Iraq (2003–2016)	9,578	20,783
Iraqi government's crackdown (2009–2012)	5,669	5,669
Iran's nuclear programme	5,536	5,536
Settlement in Albania (2016–present)	895	13,222
Relationship during Trump presidency	4,275	4,275
Islamic Republic of Iran operations against MEK inside Europe	8,052	8,052
Ideology	15	20,921
Before the revolution	5,040	5,040
After the revolution	3,060	3,060
Ideological revolution and women's rights	4,844	4,844
Cult of personality	7,962	7,962
Structure and organization	34	22,066
Organizations	3,140	3,140
Membership	2,683	2,683
Fundraising	4,762	4,762
Intelligence capabilities	5,026	5,026
Propaganda and social media	6,421	6,421
Terrorist designation	78	18,759
Assignment of designation	8,746	8,746
Removal of designation	9,935	9,935
Foreign relations	4,720	10,060
Position on the Israel–Palestinian conflict	1,661	1,661
Relations with the United States	3,679	3,679
Human rights record	5,679	5,679
Intelligence campaigns against the MEK	7,348	10,085
Targeting of MEK members outside Iran	2,737	2,737
Perception	15	8,976
Inside Iran	6,236	6,236
By other Iranian opposition parties	2,725	2,725
In the media	1,099	1,099
See also	354	354
Notes	39	39
References	5,540	5,540
Bibliography	4,733	4,733
External links	2,628	2,628
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On 21 February 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from People's Mujahedin of Iran to People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran. The result of the discussion was moved.

This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Fiona Hamilton (7 January 2023). "How Wikipedia is being changed to downgrade Iranian human rights atrocities". The Times. Retrieved 8 January 2023. On the MEK's English Wikipedia page over the summer a string of information describing human rights abuses by Iranian officials was deleted. The anonymous users who changed the content cited the need for "trimming" or claimed that the material was trivial.
Farid Mahoutchi (18 January 2024). "In the War for Narratives Iran's Regime Takes to Wikipedia". National Council of Resistance of Iran. Retrieved 18 January 2024. For instance, on the English language Wikipedia page for "People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran", the writing suggests that "At one point the MEK was Iran's 'largest and most active armed dissident group,' [18] and it is still sometimes presented by Western political backers as a major Iranian opposition group,[19][20][21] but it is also deeply unpopular today within Iran, largely due to its siding with Iraq in Iran–Iraq War.[22][23]" The sources of this statement, which carries a significant amount of misinformation, are articles from reputable outlets. However, it's noteworthy that the authors, who have historically expressed hostile views toward the organization, contribute to the narrative.

Continue "More additions to the lead"[edit]

The previous discussion has become too long and I opened a new one. First of all, I need to mention the consensus built by users after proposal by admin on the definition of what is longstanding material. "longstanding text would be about a month". So Alex_h has literally removed a longstanding without building consensus. He applied just his own opinion on the article then explained it on TP. He didn't wait for positive or negative comments from other users when removing a longstanding text. This is not "bulding the consensus". Please review "WARNING: ACTIVE COMMUNITY SANCTIONS" on top of TP. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 14:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ali Ahwazi: Regarding the link you shared Defining longstanding text for this article, that was from 2019 and the editors who participated don't seem active here anymore. I have also noticed that User:Kazemita1 and User:Saff V. were blocked for sockpuppetry. The admin who made that proposal was El_C, tagging him here to see if he has any thoughts on that. If a controversial edit is being called into question in a talk page discussion, you need to respond appropriately. Many of the edits that are being objected to were made within a month or much less, so if you have any thoughts about any particular edit, share your thoughts in the appropriate thread. ParadaJulio (talk) 17:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Ahwazi: All reverts by Alex-h and ParadaJulio were done in bad faith and evading previous sanctions. WP:REVERTBAN applies, so feel free to restore content reverted by them if you think that improves the article. MarioGom (talk) 09:01, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks MrioGom. Depending on the recent changes, I have to review the content again and discuss it on this page if needed. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 19:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article in reasonable shape now[edit]

The page has a fairly reasonable and sensical structure now, and the readable prose count is down to nearing 80kB, making it a much more digestible affair. There's more work to be done on sourcing, and probably on trimming and summarizing the history section, but I would say, overall, that the article is in reasonable shape now. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Iskandar323, I try to summarize the history section. Feel free to modify my changes.Ghazaalch (talk) 18:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2023[edit]

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stength = strength 2603:8000:D300:3650:D06B:E3DD:D32F:7B4 (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Tollens (talk) 23:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been mentioned by a media organization-BRD[edit]

I added In the War for Narratives Iran’s Regime Takes to Wikipedia by National Council of Resistance of Iran to this talkpage-template, and was reverted on that, "this is not a media organization, but a self-published post by the National Council of Resistance of Iran (an organization with at least one member banned by WMF T&S"

Reasonable people can disagree on what counts as "media organization" in this context, I thought it was close enough, though I tend to be a bit inclusionist on these things. I think of a political org's official website as a media org, in general. Not that it comes up in this context very often, most of it will be some kind of "news". Fwiw, the website has "News". If you have an opinion, please share. However, "an organization with at least one member banned by WMF T&S" doesn't matter in this context, but it's interesting info. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that's fair. MarioGom (talk) 11:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: As you note, it's a political party's blog. While it might contain media, that does not make it a "media site" by any standard definition of the term. WP:PRESS and the press template are strictly for press sources. Wikipedia:Wikipedia in blogs is the place for blog mentions. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The site has a blog-section, but afaict, the article in question is not there. Some political parties used to publish their own newspapers and magazines (maybe some still do), I don't consider this very different. But that's my view. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Characterization as a cult[edit]

Hogo-2020: You reverted [1] my change changing the title of the section "Cult of personality" to "Characterization as a cult". Your rationale was While some sources use this term for the MEK, others don't. It is irrelevant that some sources do not describe it as a cult. Some do, and in-text attribution is used to note it. The section is not about "cult of personality". The content and the backing sources are way more broad and discuss the extent to which the organization can (or cannot) be characterized as a cult. It is simply incorrect to name this section "cult of personality". It does not match the content. It does not match the sources. MarioGom (talk) 18:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh God, the topic's back. Yes, it's described as a cult, but not a cult of personality. It wasn't one of these things where everyone hung the pictures of the leaders on the walls. Characterization is a more usefully descriptive/functional subtitle. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]