Talk:Indri

Disambiguation

There should be a disambiguation for this page. Indri can also mean other things. Dan Carkner 18:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Indri people

-My friend told me there is also a city in India called Indri? thx,Dan Carkner 19:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've started the disambiguation page. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Largest lemur

A note to 174.89.125.3 and anyone else who thinks about changing the sentence in the lead about the Indri being "one of the largest living lemurs": The first sentence under "Physical characteristics" states "Along with the Diademed Sifaka, the Indri is the largest lemur still in existence." This and the measurements together are a referenced statements. Please do not make the claim that the Indri is the largest living lemur if it shares the title with the Diademed Sifaka. – VisionHolder « talk » 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Subspecies and synonyms

So, if there are no recognized subspecies, should variegatus be listed as a synonym? The taxobox should be changed to show the synonyms are Species level, not subspecies level. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure how to show variegatus in the taxobox. The subspecies was just a color morph. Hmmm.... Do you know of any similar examples within Primates? – VisionHolder « talk » 01:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, it was described legitimately, yes? Then relegated to "morph" status which makes it a junior synonym, yes? Hrm.... Lemme email Groves again. LOL! - UtherSRG (talk) 01:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

No need, I fixed the synonym list. It's a legitimate name, so it should be listed there. Ucucha 12:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Size... it matters

Some recent changes to both this article and the ruffed lemur articles try to get away from referring to these species as the "largest", and instead use terms like "longest" and "heaviest". Although these are correct, the sources cited specifically use the term "largest" in their comparision. In the literature, every book that I've seen on mammals uses weight as the scale of comparison. For example, when comparing African herbivores, sources usually agree that the elephant is the largest (3.6 m at the shoulder, and 5,400 kg in weight), even compared to the giraffe (5.2 m head to foot, and 830 kg in weight). Anyway, I've never seen a source compare lemur "length" outside of a genus or species. We really should go by the sources and their comparisons.

Also, one addition was made about the range of Indri sizes ("weights"), which was incorrect. At the time, the article claimed that the Indri weighs up to 13 kg. Subfossil specimens aside, the information was incorrect, and I updated it from the cited source. The editor, in good faith, appended "though most adults only weigh around half" while citing a valid source. I have fixed this. I apologize for any confusion. Though I am working to rewrite all 100+ lemur articles (slowly but surely), I have not fixed all of them up. Nor I have had time to proofread and correct factual errors in everything that currently exists. All Indriidae articles are high on my priority list due to their relatively completeness. Some are fairly well written and won't require as much work. Others are length and possibly full of errors... sometimes due to vandalism. If there are any questions regarding numbers, sources, or anything on a lemur article, feel free to drop a note on the article's discussion page or on my personal talk page. – VisionHolder « talk » 22:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Two specification (just to be sure "uninvolved" don't misunderstand): Calling both this and the ruffed lemurs the largest was not a recent change, but a contradiction that has been there for a long time (added in 2008 for ruffed lemur, 2008 for B&W Ruffed Lemur and 2006 for Indri). I simply removed the contradiction by specifying exactly what was meant. As that was reverted resulting in the reinstatement of the contradiction, I have added the contradiction templates, though I still think a much simpler solution was to make the small specification I suggested. Alternatively, the largest claim could be removed entirely from the ruffed lemur articles. Both because of the valid comment in the above (the comparison of length example), but also because the measurements for the length of the ruffed lemurs are overlapped by several species of sifakas, though the max. still is for the ruffed lemurs (of course the same could be said about weight of Indri+Diademed Sifaka, where measurements also overlapped by other sifakas). However, length is sometimes used for size comparison in animals, as a fast check of the sources used in the articles also reveal. Ruffed lemurs are called "largest" in Garbutt (2007), the current reference used for size in Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur, and he provides specific measurements in length and weight for all (then recognized) lemur taxa. A simple comparison reveals that length is what must have been used, as it is far surpassed in weight by several other taxa. Consequently, not only was the change to longest correct (as noted in your comment), the reference also supports it. The exact same can be said about the change to weight. Secondly, just to be sure there are no misunderstandings, I did not make an incorrect addition to weight. A fast check reveals the mistaken claim (13 kg) has been there since 2002 (!); I simply noted that around half that weight is typical. Anyhow, I'll leave the solution of the largest issue to others, but it is clear that the contradition must be dealt with. If both are maintained as "largest", at the very least a specification would be needed. 212.10.95.14 (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to get ready for a 16-hour day at work, so I only have time for a very brief response. Except for the ridiculous mistake I made in 2008 on the Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur page, there is no contradiction. The Indri article reads: "...the Indri is the largest lemur still in existence." The ruffed lemur reads: "[Ruffed lemurs] are the largest extant lemurs within the family Lemuridae." Lemurs (generally) are classified under the infraorder Lemuriformes, and contain multiple families. Ruffed lemurs are in the family Lemuridae, in which they are the largest. The Indri is in the family Indriidae. It, too, is the largest in its family, but it (along with the Diademed Sifaka) is also the largest among all lemurs, regardless of family.

Again, I value your help. I'm sorry I reverted you using WP:TW, but I didn't think it would matter since I used the option for AGF. It saves a few button clicks, and I had a lot to do last night in a limited amount of time. Please keep reviewing the lemur articles and helping find errors, contradictions, and other faults. Best, – VisionHolder « talk » 11:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Managed to miss Lemuridae versus Lemuriformes [Lemuroidea] somehow! Contradict templates removed. 212.10.95.14 (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I've made more than my fair share of similar oversights. Thanks for removing the contradiction template. I intentionally left them up for you to revert to ensure that you were content with my explanation. Again, keep up the good review work. – VisionHolder « talk » 16:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Etymology of name

Please note that the guy whose word you're basing the "probably incorrect" judgement of the name's origin being from "indry izy" also claims that the indri is found all over the island, is easily tamed, and is used for hunting like a dog - all of which are incorrect. So his pronouncement on the word may also be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridger11 (talk • contribs) 12:20, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

There was a lot of incorrect information recorded about various lemurs in the time of Sonnerat. The "Etymology" section is largely correct, and it's appropriate to mention the common myth about its etymology for historical purposes. The section may be updated soon with the release of the upcoming edition of Lemur News, in which will be an article dedicated to the etymology of lemur names. – Maky ^« talk » 19:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It's interesting that this etymology myth persists in David's Attenborough's Memoirs of a Broadcaster in the Lions and Madagascar chapter (released in 2000s too). Yathin S Krishnappa (talk) 16:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

As I said, myths about lemur etymologies abound and can even be found printed on signage in zoos. Because these myths are so widely printed and shared, it's hard to kill them off. Once a book or zoo sign is printed, they can influence and confuse people for years or decades... depending on how much research people do. Although I love Attenborough's work, and I feel that he generally does top-notch research for his documentaries, when it comes to primates, he often drops the ball. The best (or worst?) example is Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor: The Link, which talks about Darwinius in language that clearly demonstrates a one-sided and dated view of fossil primates and early primate evolution. Anyway, if I weren't preparing to move tomorrow, I would make the whatever fixes are needed tonight. Hopefully I'll have time soon. At least the etymology of lemur is finally correct. – Maky ^« talk » 22:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Audio recording

Requesting audio of its vocalizations, also maybe a photo of it making a call. Richard001 (talk) 04:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

http://macaulaylibrary.org/audio/97903/indri-indri-indri-madagascar-mark-barsamian

Here is a link to audio of it's calling, don't know how to add it would somebody please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.124.177 (talk) 07:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I've added a recording of their duet, though from a free source. Sorry this took so long. – Maky ^« talk » 02:18, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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Etymology section confusion

Hi,

The article says the name comes from Malagasy endrina, but then says that the Malagasy word for it is babakoto.

Of course there could be two words for the animal in that language, but I think that if this is the case it would be clearer to explicitly say so. The sources cited are not readily available for me to check. IAmNitpicking (talk) 14:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

"Indri Animal" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Indri Animal. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Cuvier vs Geoffroy & Cuvier as an author

I just want to future-proof my last edit, and I didn't want to put a long-winded explanation in the "short summary". Many online sources prior to Wilson & Reeder cite only Etienne Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire as the author, but after their work it has been cited more as Geoffroy & Cuvier. I found a source that I think Cuvier himself authored, or at least was involved in alongside Schinz. In it he lists Geoffroy as the sole author of the genus Indri. Other works from the time also mention Geoffroy as the sole author. I don't know how involved Cuvier was in the German text, but he seemed involved in some way as he is in the title of the work and listed as an author by biodiversitylibrary and Google Books. Also, further adding to at least my confusion is that Wilson & Reeder cite Galago and Loris, described in the same article as Indri, as Geoffroy alone. In case the reference ends up missing the title is: Das Thierreich, eingetheilt nach dem Bau der Thiere als Grundlage ihrer Naturgeschichte und der vergleichenden Anatomie von den Herrn Ritter von Cuvier. Sorry if this isn't the right place to say this, and sorry if I end up incorrect. Tylbrooks1998 (talk) 08:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)