Talk:List of Lithuanians

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Well, Emma Goldman wasn't Lithuanian - she dind't speek Lithuanian, her parents were jews. So I can not see a reason why she should be listed on this page among real Lithuanians. By the way, Pilsudsky was Polish, not Lithuanian.

I think we should include Antanas Mockus - famous excentric mayor of Bogota:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antanas_Mockus

Dear anonymous, Pilsudski was indeed Polish (at least culturally), but he himself always undeParyškinti tekstąrlined that he feels himself Lithuanian. You can imagine the feelings of many Ppolish nationalists towards him, when he said that in the Polish Sejm...Halibutt 02:34, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

2007-04-27 13:52 edits

Virgus Volertas is merely a kid playing high school basketball. He is by NO means a famous Lithuanian athlete.

think, 2005-02-13 18:18 edits are not entirely correct.

Prof. Vytautas Landzbergis was never assigned title "The President of Republic of Lithuania". Yes, he was head of state right after 1990-03-11. Yes, there is a law, which guarantee to him the same benefits as for people who were presidents. But he do not have title of President.

I think that you people can't spell or type because the way you spell speak is horrible and didn't isn't spelled like that so if you think you are so smart then you might want to check your spelling.

Alfred Naujocks

Alfred Naujocks (SS-Sturmbannführer, commander of attack on Gleiwitz radio station (pretext for Second World War in Europe) should probably be removed from the list. Naujocks was not a Lithuanian, he was a German born in Kiel. If anyone has proof that Naujocks was Lithuanian please provide reference. Sigitas 09:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Related

Currently it seems that a number of people are incorrectly included outside of the "Related to Lithuania by birthplace (before 1918) or citizenship (after 1918) or origin" section (particularly a number of Lithuanian-American sportspeople in the "Sports" section). It seems they should be moved to the "Related" section, unless I am misunderstanding something. I find the title of that section a little confusing... heqs 06:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Robert Briscoe

Briscoe was not the original family name, can someone enter the original name before if it was changed? --jmb (talk) 15:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Czesław Miłosz

Well, as you know, Czesław Miłosz always refused to identify himself as either a Pole or a Lithuanian, he considered himself both Polish and Lithuanian. Such a remark beside his name wouldn't be pointless, I guess.

By the way, I'm a little puzzled you didn't put Adam Mickiewicz's name on the list. As a Pole, I wouldn't mind to see his name here, he wrote in Polish, that's true, but he always declared his affection towards Lithuania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aajmik (talk • contribs) 17:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of entries in violation of wp:listpeople

There are a number of entries in the list that in contravention of wikipedia rules appear on the list even though they lack a wikipedia article and an appropriate ref. Per WP:LISTPEOPLE, there must be an article on the subject, or a ref that indicates the notability of the subject--or the entry is to be deleted. In accordance with the guideline, they will be deleted. If editors wish to review what has been deleted, they can click the History tab of the article. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Some names can be very important for Lithuanians. I think more constructive way is to discuss the list of names to be removed on this page. It is rather bad manner to remove and thus enforce other editors to waste their time and search the history what was indeed removed. Orionus (talk) 19:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it is the opposite. It is bad manners to input into wikipedia names in direct contravention of clear wikipedia guidelines. Perhaps editors were unaware of the guidelines. They are now aware. There is nothing to "discuss" -- it is not a dispute as to whether the people are important--it is only an issue as to whether their notability is reflected properly on the wikipedia list, in accordance with the guideline. If not -- no matter what their importance -- the inputting of their name is in direct contravention to wikipedia rules. I support the listing of names that properly belong on the list, as reflected by an article or an appropriate citation. Unfortunately, this list has been rife, for a long time, with entries that were made inappropriately. The responsibility is on the inputting editor to make sure he has complied with wp rules.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest you to start from less important list of people. For example, List of Ambassadors from the United Kingdom to Yemen and many more... Now you took an article List of Lithuanians, the top importance rated article for Lithuanians and started applying guidelines. Then we have such situations, that famous writer as Vaižgantas or scientist as Juras Požėla were removed. Orionus (talk) 20:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

And there are also many more important lists, and many lists that are in much better shape. I've not singled out this list -- I've addressed a great number of lists, in the same manner. If this is an important list, that is an even more important reason to follow wp's guidelines on verifiability -- a core policy -- not a less important reason to let unverified information in, thereby tainting the list. Removing unsourced information only improves the list--and that is my intention, not to hurt the list. If people who are unsourced are notable, please reflect that by writing an article about them or adding a ref reflecting it, to improve the list.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you feel yourself a specialist on the importance of Lithuanian people, then you should firstly search in the Lithuanian wiki for the names you are intending to remove. In most cases you will find an article and a ref. Please, find more constructive way for applying of wiki guidelines than in earlier your edits, that I have reverted. By the way, take a look at the whole category "Lists of ambassadors from the United Kingdom". Yemen is only small piece of it:) Orionus (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

• You continue to miss the point. I never said I was a specialist on the importance of Lithuanian people -- why did you make that up? I am familiar with the applicable wikipedia guideline, however. I have quoted it to you. I am sorry you dislike the guideline.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I dislike your unconstructive way of applying guidelines. It was not difficult to search for the Vaižgantas and find corresponding entry in the en wiki, I think. Or look for the name in Lithuanian wiki. Some of red looking entries are actually important for Lithuania. I think they are there as "to do" items in that list. Why the ambasador is more important than the leading scientist in laser physics as lt:Algis Petras Piskarskas, for example. Once more, I ask you to be more constructive before removing people entries. Orionus (talk) 22:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I am simply applying the guideline, which is very clear and which reflects the community consensus. I gather that you do not like the guideline. And that you do not like it being applied. I imagine that is often the case with people who do not adhere to guidelines. But the guideline is there for a purpose. I, for my part, dislike the unconstructive way certain editors have ignored the guideline. And I am not a fan of people who refuse to edit constructively in accordance with the guideline. I have spent time discussing this with you, as you are a new editor, but that seems not to have mollified you. You think that the benefit is to go to the editor who added a name in violation of the guideline, and that the onus is then on the editor acting in accordance with the guideline to do "work" that the original editor was too lazy or ignorant of the rules to perform, or which the editor dislikes. You have it backwards. As the rule makes clear. In other areas of wikipedia, redlinks are acceptable as "to do's". Not in lists of people. That is clear. As I am repeating myself, I will stop discussing the matter, other than to encourage you to edit in accordance with wikipedia's guidelines. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you familiar with Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point? For example do not remove all apparently unsourced content on the page. I think you too formally are applying all rules. I myself would remove an entry only when I was sure it is unimportant. How do you think it will look, if I shall remove all red entries from ambasadors lists... So my proposal is again check the importance of the people entry before removing it. If you will find an entry in another wiki, then better leave it or add reference to that wiki. I think that would be more useful way to improve quality of the wiki than simply deleting. Orionus (talk) 23:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

• I am not "disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point". I am adhereing to a core wikipedia policy. Please do not continue to violate it.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:00, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Citing sources: It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply.. What was wrong with the removed items:

Kęstutis Pempė (1949–) (lt:Kęstutis Pempė), architect, chairman of the Architects Association of Lithuania

Bronius Pundzius (1907–1959) (lt:Bronius Pundzius), sculptor

Petras Rimša (1881–1961) (lt:Petras Rimša), one of the first professional sculptors in Lithuania

As you understand, "Core wikipedia policy" is not collection of strict rules. Otherwise wiki edit window would be constructed in such manner that we cannot enter no red linked items. Have you followed links to the lithuanian wiki? No. So I am treating those your removals as "disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point". Orionus (talk) 00:06, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Well I can cite more rules in the wikipedia: If a person in a list does not have an article in Wikipedia about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to establish their membership in the list's group and to establish their notability. Orionus (talk) 00:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

If in the flurry I deleted articles with links to anything (even non-English wikipedia) I apologize -- the revert "war" may well have resulted in me doing so in error. Not my intention. I'm happy to have an expansive view here; it is only the articles that lack any inline link to a wikipedia article whatsoever and any ref whatsoever that I am focusing on at the moment.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:32, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Please take a look at all entries that as of today lack both a ref and an article, as they will be deleted. If you look at the list as of today, it will be apparent what they are. You have been aware of this issue for a month, and the problem persists.--Epeefleche (talk) 12:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of the problem, but I am not expert in all fields. On the other hand, I do not have so much time as you. I am only episodically editing some articles. Well, I think it will be more convenient for future editors just to comment out suspicious entries. That was my proposal to you when I accidentally found that you removed entry of Stasys Krasauskas, famous lithuanian graphic. Orionus (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

• Anyone should feel free to review the article in its prior form, with all manner of entries that lacked both wp articles and any ref whatsoever, and restore such entries properly. They can find it here.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

More possible entries to review

Joseph Weber, Physicist: 'father" of gravity wave detection experiments at The University of Maryla

Jonas Pleksys, USSR submarine captain whose ordeal was made famous in "Hunt for Red October"

Mykolas Norkunas, Founder of the Knights of Lithuania

Monica Lewinsky

David Frank-Kameniecki

Victor Brenner (Baranauskas), Designed Lincoln penny

Sara Lee, Father founded current corporate giant

Alexander Bruce Bialskis, 1st FBI director (1912-1919)

Birute Galdikas: Orangutan specialist/write

Sister Mary Veronica Klimkevicius, First woman Army nurse Civil War (1861)

Also W. C. Kashatus suggested:

"Jis taip pat paminėjo keletą įvairiose srityse išgarsėjusių lietuvių kilmės amerikiečių: astrofizikę Sallie Baliunas, dizaineres Lane Bryant ir Beth Levine, 1912 -1919 metais FTB vadovavusį Bruce’ą Bielaski, amerikietiško futbolo žaidėjus Johnny Unitą, Dicką Butkų ir Joe Jurevicių, golfo žaidėją Johnny Goodmaną, sunkaus svorio bokso čempioną Jacką Sharkey, tenisininką Vitą Gerulaitį, aktorius Nicką Adamsą, Charlesą Bronsoną, Genie Francis ir Johną C. Reilly, filmų kūrėją Joną Meką, „Playboy” modelį Lisą Boyle."

http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/emigrants/article.php?id=14190496&rsslink=true — Preceding unsigned comment added by T-from-LT (talk • contribs) 14:52, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Ignas Matrica Sarkauskas

Ignas Matrica Sarkauskas (literature) - i don't think the guy died in 2085. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.47.227.250 (talk) 07:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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