Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Students United for America
This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was redirect. Rossami (talk) 01:24, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Students United for America[edit]
This article, though well written, is not notable enough in and of itself to be included as a separate article from Clubs and organizations of Columbia University. I suggest the content be merged as a subheading in that article, not be its own. There have already been recent arguments over too many columbia articles, and I do not wish this loose end to be inflammatory, unless it can be expanded in the same way as Core Curriculum was. --Ctrl buildtalk 21:00, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Comment. Ahem hem. If you think this is a merge and redirect, then you should have done it. Be bold. If you think the change of venue would be controversial, then discuss it on the Talk page first, or put up an RfC. I realize there's lots of precedent for it, but I still don't like people using "Votes for deletion" as "Threats for discussion/expansion". Don't list articles here unless you want them deleted. Not edited, not merged with something else, deleted without leaving a trace. For that reason, no vote. JRM 21:17, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)\
- JRM is correct. If you think the content can be merged, just do it, and redirect. The only reason to ask for a vote on deletion is if you are encountering unreasonable resistance to the merge/redirect -- unreasonable resistance being from perhaps one or a small number of people who insist on a separate article for reasons that don't seem valid. If you merge and redirect, you can then propose later that the redirect be deleted, if you feel that is appropriate. However, since you have put this up for a deletion vote, I consider it non-encyclopedic and vote Delete. --BM 22:36, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I do not think the content should be merged, that is the issue. If you all wish to merge it I will, but I believe the superfluous page should be deleted. --Ctrl buildtalk
00:51, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merged in Clubs and organizations of Columbia University but not redirected --Ctrl buildtalk
00:58, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. One of the problems with this approach is that, now people can and have voted Delete, a bold merge and redirect is no longer an option unless the article survives the full VfD monty. Otherwise, attribution for those edits would be lost, which violates the GFDL. This makes it doubly important not to list articles here unless you really want them deleted, because there's no going back. For that reason, a vote. JRM 23:22, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect supporting JRM. I find it distasteful that people vote 'delete' when even the actual nominator doesn't want that to happen. Kappa 23:27, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Problem is that the nominator doesn't "own" the vote to begin with. You could let Ctrl build "withdraw" his nomination and then have BM "own" it, as he was the first to express the opinion that it should be deleted. But what's the point? We might as well just do a proper VfD. I'm sure some people wouldn't be principally opposed to having all Wikipedia articles pass VfD at least once, just to be thorough. ("Delete Nomination of the Week"? :-) JRM 00:16, 2004 Dec 30 (UTC)
- I do not think the content should be merged, that is the issue. If you all wish to merge it I will, but I believe the superfluous page should be deleted. --Ctrl buildtalk
00:51, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I don't object to the information, and it is fine with me if it is merged with the Columbia article. If there isn't a reasonable section in that article for the info, then it is also fine not to merge it. I just don't think the information is notable enough to warrant a separate article, and since the article is up for VfD, "delete" is my vote. --BM 20:52, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merged in Clubs and organizations of Columbia University but not redirected --Ctrl buildtalk
- I don't object to the information, and it is fine with me if it is merged with the Columbia article. If there isn't a reasonable section in that article for the info, then it is also fine not to merge it. I just don't think the information is notable enough to warrant a separate article, and since the article is up for VfD, "delete" is my vote. --BM 20:52, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
00:58, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. non-notable. I find it distasteful that people find distasteful other people's argumented votes. Mikkalai 00:03, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect, as above. Rje 00:06, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge, and redirect or delete.
- Merge and redirect as above. —Korath (Talk) 03:28, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect is logical and follows precedent (the nightmare that was Dartmouth College), but I agree that it is seldom useful to scold other voters, and especially to scold nominators. If it has been nominated, just take it from there. It is not bold to merge and redirect, in fact, but rather reckless. A good many folks get very upset when that kind of thing is done unilaterally. Geogre 04:07, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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