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"The synod of 358 was a Semi-Arian conciliabulum, presided over by Basil of Ancyra. It condemned the grosser Arian blasphemies, but set forth an equally heretical doctrine in the proposition that the Son was in all things similar to the Father, but not identical in substance."

What's up with this? Seems very non-NPOV to me.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.11.229.194 (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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More info is on the way. mu5ti ☪ 07:28, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

The total area of Ankara is 30,715 km2, not 2,516. The figure given in the table is irrelevant. It is neither of metropolitan area, nor another. Please figure out the correct value. Also for Istanbul the total area is 5,712 km2, not 1830.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.142.152.16 (talk) 12:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this article needs to include the extensive information on Angora cats, Angora goats and Angora wool which are already covered with their own Wikipedia articles. Perhaps these sections could be removed and the items in questions reduced to mentions in another section? Re42scott (talk) 03:10, 9 March 2015 (UTC)Re42Scott[reply]

Population[edit]

There seems to be some confusion about the population of Ankara. At the start of the article, the population is given as 4,751,360, but in the section "Demographics", the population is given as 3,763,591 or 3,901,201, depending on whether one is talking about central Ankara or the metropolitan municipality. Certainly these latter figures appear to be in keeping with the earlier population figures figures quoted and the rate of population growth that they suggest. It could be that the 4.75 million figure is correct for some other, defined area, but if so that should probably made clear. Or is it a typo and should it be approx. 3.75 million. Does anyone have any ideas? Ondewelle (talk) Hello My Friends???

Street Map[edit]

I would like to find a street map of Ankara, I would really like to see one.

Jorbian 8:28 Aug 11, 2005

I think I can provide you with a map, but it says they're updating it... You may want to check here to see if they're done with it. (kutukagan 00:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC))[reply]

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I really want to come here. right now im writing a report on this place but ya i would really like to come visit here. 


I am not sure if Ataturk established his headquarters in Ankara in 1919 or 1920. Does anyone know for sure? Looks like a factual mistake.

Atatürk came to Ankara on December 27, 1919. At least that's what we've been taught for 14 years now. (kutukagan 09:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC))[reply]

As far as I know it was General Mustafa Kemal who arrived to Angora on December 28, 1919, not yet by that time renamed Kemal Ataturk.

Etymology[edit]

The proposed etymology of anchor for Ankyra seems to trace back as far as Pausanias, a Greek geographer of the 2nd century AD. (The name of the city was homophonous with the Greek word for "anchor".)


—Pausanias, Guide to Greece 1.4.5

What have Zeus and Midas to do with anchors? Why would an inland city on a semiarid plateau be named after a maritime implement? If the (sea-going) Galatians named it, why did they not choose a Celtic name? If the Phrygians named their capital, would its name not be a Phrygian word? Or even Hattian?

I would flag this as an obvious folk etymology, but I have no authority to cite.

--Ziusudra 20:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Until 20th century many western texts called this city "Angora", which of course resembles the greek word for anchor. However the city is far older than either the greek or the galatian (celtic) presence in the region. There were Hittite artifacts recovered from the construction site of Ataturk's mauseleum and many believe that Ankara is the city which passes as "Ankuva" in Hittite records. Most likely this name or a derivative of it was hellenized as angora. At any rate it is very well known that the celts had nothing to do with the founding of the city, but it is thought that they were the original constructors of the citadel.

Balkans were named after the Turkish invasions. "Balkan" name come from the Balkan Mountains of Turkmenistan. The name is still preserved in Central Asia. Turks (Seljuks) used to give names to their newly conquered lands from Asian stepp names, rivers and mountain names. The word "Ankara" has originated from Angara River of Asia. --Huckillberry (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Angora / Ankara[edit]

Some common language origins? In Finnish Angora is connected with Angora Cat (Persian Cat) and Angora wool from rabbit cony made in Astrahan on Itil (Volga) mouth in addition to Angora or better known Karakul black lamb from Buhara Emirate.

Ankara means transliterated Severe and Turkki (name for Turkey) is Fur Coat. Kara is (war) waggon axle or "terävä tikari" (sharp-edged dagger weapon) hidden in war club (Karahka).

Some connection in 5.000-3.000 BC in the Altai (Turan / Turania) region? Turkic tribes in the south side, Finno Ugrians on the north side. Common "urheimat" (urheimmat = bravest)? Hakassit (haka = hook, kassi = bag) are mixture of Nenentsi (Finno Ugrian) and Turkic origin in Sajan area east of Altai. Sahas (saha = saw), living north of Burjatti Mongols are mixture of Turkic, Finno Ugrian and Mongol origin. Also called Jakuutit (kuutti / kuutit = young seal /seals). All these pure incidets?

No, there is no connection to Finno-Urgic. Not sure what an "incidet" is, but this area was settled during the times of the Hittites, when the people of the Altai mountains had not even formed their various nations yet.HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Kızılay[edit]

I would like to know why this picture is continually removed by anonymous posters.

It is an original picture that is not a duplicate of one already here (unlike the numerous pics of the airport) and is not a copyright violation as it is a personal photo I took and donated to Wikipedia. I will be readding it the the gallery and would appreciate it if it is not removed yet again. Teşekkürler! --Jayzel 19:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Picture of Ankara[edit]

Whatever happened to the nice twilight view of the city that used to be the top photo? It was far better than this outdated Atakule picture- ankaran 14:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC) 25 September 2007[reply]

hight[edit]

just minor detail, the turkish site says that ankara is between 950 and 1050 m of altidude... 88.70.4.118 19:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

travel brochure[edit]

I'm sorry, I don't know how one would fix this, but this whole article comes off like a travel brochure.Saganatsu (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ankuwash?[edit]

The article claims that Ankara was named Ankuwash in the time of the Hittites. I suppose this name is a variant of Ankuwa. Ankuwa is currently believed to be either the village of Alişar [1] or possibly Eskiyapar [2]. See also the German Wikipedia entry de:Ankuwa. The sources given here for Ankuwash do not mention any academic sources and I doubt them. Can anybody substantiate this claim with a more credible source? --İnfoCan (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed mention of Ankuwash due to lack of evidence. --İnfoCan (talk) 19:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's back and now sourced, but fwiw the sources are still wrong (at least in asserting an unquestioned identity)... -114.91.73.167 (talk) 09:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alacahöyük[edit]

Added specific official description of place of origin of artefact Alacahöyük:

Ceremonial standard, bronze, Alacahöyük, second half of the third millenium BC. Height 24cm.

I ought to add the Official Guide book of the Museum of Anatolian Civilizations to the references. --Михал Орела (talk) 10:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC) --Михал Орела (talk) 13:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Publications[edit]

  1. The Museum of Anatolian Civilizations, Ankara: "The association for the support and encouragement of the Museum of Anatolian Civilizations." Dönmez offset (Printer), 2006, ISBN 978-9751721983

--Михал Орела (talk) 13:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missing citation[edit]

The following text in the article is not properly supported:

Ankara has experienced a phenomenal growth since it was made Turkey's capital. It was "a small town of no importance"[7] when it was made the capital of Turkey. In 1924, the year after the government had moved there, Ankara had about 35,000 residents. By 1927 there were 44,553 residents and by 1950 the population had grown to 286,781.

The reference (currently number 7) is to the "Columbia Lippincott Gazeteer"; the latter is not included in the list of publications. On what page in what volume does the text "a small town of no importance" occur?--Михал Орела (talk) 14:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

straw poll for US/UK spelling conventions[edit]

This article is peppered with US and UK spelling variations, and I'd like to standardize it on one variant. So I'm taking a quick straw poll for US/UK preference. If I get no response in a few days I will rewrite it to UK spelling. Manning (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Population[edit]

What was the population of Ankara in 1927: 75 000 (as in Population section) or 44,553 (as in History section) ?

Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

I removed various links to pages that apparently did not add to the article. This includes:

  • Web pages with only a little bit of info about Ankara, and LOTS of advertisements.
  • Web pages of newspapers, which should be a section about Ankara media instead.
  • Web page to airport, which should be a reference from a "Transportation" section.
  • Web pages to purely Turkish language Web pages. Please find English links from the English Wikipedia if possible. I'm sure there's something there.

uspn (talk) 10:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It took centuries to build Rome, but only a day to destroy it. Have some respect for other people's contributions through time. Wikipedia articles are not places to display one's touristic souvenirs. And some info are usually found in local sources only (especially info which are not internationally known very well.) People are allowed to add local references when foreign references are not available. 151.57.194.47 (talk) 10:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let me be specific, then. These are the links I removed
- http://www.videosofturkey.com/video_details.asp?id=248 , this is information taken FROM Wikipedia (and now being outdated), a video that is in a format not available on all platforms (Windows media file), and the page has lots of ads. They are trying to make money from a Wikipedia link.
- http://www.turkeylive.net/ I've read a couple of the articles, and this is not encyclopedic information. Also, the many casino links on the page implies the purpose of the page.
- http://www.ankaragundemi.com/ , this is some kind of news site, again with lots of ads and no immediate encyclopedic value. From a section about Ankara it might be relevant. Please add this section if you think it belongs here.
- http://www.ankarasondakika.com/ , same as above
- http://www.nallihannet.com/ , I checked this page three days in a row. There's no server there.
- http://www.turkeyforecast.com/weather/ankara/ , page not found
Regarding my photos, I never replace with my own photos unless they are substantially better than the previous ones. I don't put up my "souvenir" photos, I take photos particularly for the purpose of putting them on Wikipedia. Please see my contribution history to confirm this.
uspn (talk) 10:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the superfluous links. 151.57.194.47 (talk) 10:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So the reason for your complete revert of all the changes I made was not the links after all? Now for the photos, I did remove
File:AnatolianCivMuseum.DO.jpg and replaced it with . Why was that a wrong thing to do, so that you had to revert it?
Also, I don't really see why the photos of present-day Armada Tower and Dikmen Valley Towers belong in the "Turkish history" section. And the "panorama" photo at the bottom there is a really low quality photo that isn't even a panorama.
Then there are all the grammatical/English adjustments I made. Just an example:
Original: "The city was also known in the European languages as Angora after its conquest by the Seljuk Turks in 1073, and continued to be internationally called with this name until it was officially renamed Ankara with the Turkish Postal Service Law of 1930.[1]" I checked the reference, and all it says is that the name changed in 1930, nothing about the reason. The page has a lot of ads and even a half-naked lady prominently on display. (Not that I mind that particularly, but it's a bit peculiar.)
My suggested improvement, including removing the reference was: "The city was also known in the European languages as Angora after its conquest by the Seljuk Turks in 1073. This continued to be the name internationally until it was officially renamed Ankara by the Turkish Postal Service Law of 1930."
I hope I am beginning to show that my edits were not "arbitrary destruction", as claimed by Miss 151.57.194.47
uspn (talk) 10:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, the "colour contrast" in the photo at left is better. The object is better centered, and you don't see shadows towards its base (your photo at right has plenty of shadows towards the base of the object). Also, in your photo, the curtain in the background has way more "wrinkles" which cause an "increased traffic" inside the visual sensors of the human brain, making it more difficult to distinguish the original form of the "object" itself. 151.57.194.47 (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On a good quality monitor you will find that it is possible to see a lot more detail in the photo I added than on the previous photo. Even on a poor monitor you should be able to make out more details if you click through to the actual photo and look at the full resolution version of the photo. Compare http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Hittite_Art_Previous_Ankara_Symbol.JPG with http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/AnatolianCivMuseum.DO.jpg and you will see what I mean. Also, taking the photo not from the front center allows for more of the motif to be seen.
Anyway, I don't care that much about the photos, but I'm bothered by your complete removal of all textual adjustments. Many of the sentences in the Ankara article were difficult to read, and many still are, but I really spent some time trying to improve the text on this page. You just removed them all.
uspn (talk) 11:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, with the Turkish Postal Service Law of 28 March 1930, Constantinople became Istanbul, Angora became Ankara, Smyrna became Izmir, Trebizond became Trabzon, Adalia became Antalya, Caesarea became Kayseri, Prusa became Bursa, Iconium became Konya, etc... It was a part of the Turkish nationalist reforms. According to the law, the Turkish State Postal Service stopped delivering letters to destinations named with the historic/ancient names, which eventually forced other countries to adopt the Turkish names. 151.57.194.47 (talk) 11:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know that. My point is that the reference that should explain that this happened, does not mention this at all. That's the reason why I removed it.uspn (talk) 11:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Tore Kjeilen (2004-09-03). "Ankara". I-cias.com. Retrieved 2009-05-05.

151.57.194.47 edits[edit]

I don't know who this person is, but I call upon an independent logged-in Wikipedian with some credibility and responsibility for this page to take a look at recent edits. I made a number of changes to this article that I intended as improvements, including better readability. This person reverted all of them, citing the reason that external links I had removed should have stayed in place.

I'm in no mood for a lengthy discussion with an anonymous user. Please, take a look at my edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ankara&oldid=322713755 , and compare it to the current article, and consider which one suits the purpose of Wikipedia best.

uspn (talk) 10:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to replace the Turkish references, when you find English references to put in their place. 151.57.194.47 (talk) 10:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
English Wiki, English sources. Unless there is some unique piece of information in a Turkish source on the this subject (pretty doubtful, Ankara has been thoroughly studied in Western literature for well over a century, we need to use RS's in the English language.HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Non-English sources are expressly permitted, though English sources are preferred. I'm OK with putting Turkish sources first then having them replaced. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Climate[edit]

I don't understand why someone stated that Ankara has a steppe climate. I'm going to revert the climate section to Ankara having a Continental mediterranean climate. Ankara clearly falls under this category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.71.67 (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ankara bordering on a semi-arid climate[edit]

Ankara is not particularly close to bordering a semi-arid climate. Here is why:

Taken from the semi-arid climate article (semi-arid climate and steppe climate are synonymous): "To determine whether an area indeed has a semi-arid climate, the precipitation threshold must first be determined. Finding the precipitation threshold (in millimeters) involves first multiplying the average annual temperature in °C by 20, then adding 280 if 70% or more of the total precipitation is in the high-sun half of the year (April through September in the Northern Hemisphere, or October through March in the Southern), or 140 if 30%–70% of the total precipitation is received during the applicable period, or 0 if less than 30% of the total precipitation is so received. If the area's annual precipitation is less than the threshold but more than half the threshold, it is classified as a BS (steppe climate)." This is supported by this document.

From the data in this article, Ankara's annual average temperature is 9.7°C (avg. annual high of 16.1°C plus avg. annual low of 3.3°C, divide by 2) and it receives 192mm (46.3%) of its annual average precipitation of 415mm in the high sun months, April-September. So the precipitation threshold (representing potential evapotranspiration) for this location is 334mm. Ankara's annual average precipitation is well above this threshold (81mm), so its climate is not very close to a semi-arid climate. We can argue about what "borders x climate" really means, how much difference is too much, etc., but that is a very substantial difference.

As well, my previous edit summary said "Please discuss if you disagree". Please read the edit summaries.

1brettsnyder (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You explained it well and with reference and I will not challenge it; but the confusion arises (not only me), because Ankara (or other cites like Madrid or Zaragoza) has a treeless steppe vegetation, and steppes are traditionnaly characterized by a semi-arid and also continental climate (the latter that Ankara does indeed have, no doubts about that). But when vegetation is linked with climate types, it does raise question marks. While Ankara's sparse vegetation is definately steppe, the climate as you stated is not classified as "semi-arid". How much, if at all, does or should climate types be linked with vegetation types? Can you "enlighten" me on this?
Thank you very much.
Menikure (User talk:Menikure) —Preceding undated comment added 14:07, 1 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I'm not convinced Ankara has a Csb climate. Under the Köppen-Geiger system, "C" zones have an average temperature above 10°C, and Ankara's is 9.7. Borderline, yes (also with regards to potential evapotranspiration and winter temp is below 0°), but it's most likely in a B or even a D zone. I'm inclined to think it's a BSh, but on this map it seems to be BSk or D. Koppenlady (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Koppenlady, I'm slightly confused here. I believe that average temperatures for a C climate has to be at least above -3 in its coldest month for it to be considered a C climate. Also, according to the data, the city's evapotranspiration rate takes it outside the arid and semiarid range, which it clearly is. According to its precip. patterns, unless I'm missing something, Ankara has the "Continental Mediterranean climate" version of the Mediterranean climate. G. Capo (talk)
Bottom line for any C climate is an average annual temperature above 10°C, and Ankara's is 9.7. Close, but that would make it either B or D depending on EPT. I haven't done any calculations, but the Koeppen map shows it as BSk near a D zone. Koppenlady (talk) 22:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite. A C climate has an average temperature greater than 10 degrees celsius during its warmest month and an average above -3 degrees Celsius during its coldest month. [3] Based on the data, Ankara fits under this category. Also if you run the calculations determining aridity, Ankara is neither arid or semi-arid. It's somewhat close, but it's not a B climate.G. Capo (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capo, you are correct and I thank you for pointing that out. I have been looking through so many systems that I must be confused :S. Perhaps I was thinking Trewartha, where at least 8 months must average 10° or more, and I believe Ankara falls short. Nonetheless, the -3° is widely replaced with 0° in current adaptions so, even under Koeppen, it may fall short at -2.5°. The biggest contention, I suppose, somes from the Koeppen map itself, where Ankara is nowhere near a Cs regime, and it seems to sit on the border between BSk and D. No matter how you slice it, it's borderline! Please feel free to make changes as you see fit! Koppenlady (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation of changes to Ankara climate section[edit]

Several people seemed to be convinced that Ankara has a semiarid climate so I decided to revisit the weather data. The previous source, Weatherbase initially had annual precipitation data listed for Ankara. However, they have since pulled that data. Apparently they were either wrong, or needed to recalibrate the data. I've looked up BBC's annual weather data for Ankara and they do have the city's annual precipitation data. After plugging in the new numbers and then checking to see of Ankara's climate is semi-arid, it turns out that Ankara indeed has a semi-arid climate. G. Capo (talk) 15:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BBC is not a reliable authority to calculate the weather data in Ankara. Turkish State Meteorological Service is the only reliable authority on the weather of Ankara since Turkish State Meteorological Service is the only weather institution that has weather stations in Ankara. If we look at the weather data of Turkish State Meteorological Service for Ankara, we see that the precipitation average in Ankara (between 1970-2009) is 396,6 mm. See the links below:

http://www.dmi.gov.tr/veridegerlendirme/yillik-toplam-yagis-verileri.aspx?m=ankara

http://www.dmi.gov.tr/veridegerlendirme/il-ve-ilceler-istatistik.aspx

Therefore, -again- Ankara doesn't have a literal semi-arid climate. Furthermore, it is wrong to decide the climate type by simply considering the current vegetation type. We must take into consideration the historical vegetation types as well. And, there are many scientific data showing that Ankara was covered almost fully by the forests a few hundred years ago. Today, the steppe vegetation of Ankara is mostly a pruduct of human beings. Also, we must know that there are still some forests in Ankara today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smasher2010 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ankara is clearly outside the boundaries of a semi-arid climate[edit]

When calculated strictly with Köppen criteria and even taking into account the latest data that includes the changes in precipitation and temperatures due to global warming (which I recently added, increasing the yearly mean temp.), Ankara has a semi-arid threshold of 380.4, making the yearly precipitation of 407.9, exactly 27.5 points above the threshold. As clearly stated in Köppen criteria, the critical criteria in determining the aridness or semi-aridness of a location is the potential evapotranspiration, which is determined by this threshold method. In the case of Ankara, aridness range is 0-190.2 and semi-aridness range is 190.2-380.4. When the yearly precipitation isn't within the range of the given scale, a location strictly can not be classified as arid or semi-arid. Precipitation is the primary criteria in question. So the question isn't whether Ankara is a B (the data is clear on that issue), but whether it is a C or D. It is here where we can question to use 0 C or -3 C as the minimum. Berkserker (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery[edit]

I add the image File:Viewfromoldankara.jpg to the image gallery but someone insists on pulling it out. This picture is not fake. So whats the problem about this picture. We can not pull reality from the articles even we dont like them. Pls discuss it here if you would not like to see that gecekondu image in the article.212.156.67.30 (talk) 11:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have started an edit warring (with other registrated and anonymous users later joining in as well) as User:Omulazimoglu and I suspect you are the same User:212.156.67.30 when you are not logged in, in the picture gallery in the bottom of the Ankara page, by insisting of putting a particular photo of a slum in the city that is normally reserved for landmarks of that city. Picture galleries of city articles in Wikipedia are usually reserved for landmarks rather than slums. Pictures of non-landmarks such as slums for example can be put separatly in other areas of the article. No pictures of slums are present in such other city articles such as Rio de Janeiro or Cape Town for example, even though they do have slums with their respective articles like the "Favelas" of Rio and the "Township (South Africa)" of Cape Town. There is already an article in English Wikipedia on Turkish slums which is called "Gecekondu" with that contientious photo you already appropriately have put there today as user User: 212.156.67.30 but you seem to be the same User:Omulazimoglu who uploaded the photos in Commons:User:Ozgurmulazimoglu. I have observed this edit warring and other anonymous an later registrated users have joined the edit warring as well on this picture of a slum, but yesterday (27 December 2010) in exasperation I reverted your latest edit and personally warned you today about this, even though I am not an administrator nor have the authority and do not visit Wikipedia very frequqently. Obviously you are advertising the photos you have taken and/or uploaded from My pictures on Flickr to Wikimedia Commons. There is nothing wrong with that, but your insistence and probable use of two identities and previous edit warrings is the problem. You should stop with it, because it is not only futile it has become trivial. Menikure 18:24, 28 December 2010
Like Boing! said Zebedee told you on the incidents page i tell you the same. Can you show us a policy, or a consensus, anywhere, that picture galleries are reserved for "landmarks" and must not include slums? If not, then you shouldn't be using it as a reason to remove photos and issue warnings to people. MULAZIMOGLU (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Commons:User:Ozgurmulazimoglu. Please stop messing up with the images in the Ankara page. You have already irritated many users and now there is an edit war going on. User:Saguamundi
Saguamundi, what are your reasons for omitting the image? The image may not show Ankara in the most positive light, but it is relevant to the article, and doesn't suffer from duplication or licensing issues. a_man_alone (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The proble is not the licesnisng of the picture, it is the way the user User:Ozgurmulazimoglu abuses it. There is already a Commons picture gallery and an article on slums as another already irritated user Menikure pointed out. User:Saguamundi
Other articles don't really count in content discussions about a specific article. Just because there's an article dedicated to the subject of a photo is no reason to exclude it from the region it hails from. There is no abuse of licensing - commons photo's are valid here, and apart from pride in Ankara I don't see why it should be removed. a_man_alone (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am also from Ankara but i dont take it as a pride problem. The image is valid, the license is valid. Pls do not pull the picture out. Theres no rule that says Tha gallery must be full of best and shiny images78.163.182.164 (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That was exactly my point. Taken to it's logical extreme this could be construed as censorship in an attempt to only show the best available. a_man_alone (talk) 19:13, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They have started to take File:Viewfromoldankara.jpg again out from the gallery. MULAZIMOGLU (talk) 18:15, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that we should get back to discussing this, before we start edit warring over that opicture again. Do you not think? ;-) [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 23:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I see that every one is edit warring over this picture again. You all better stop it, or else I will have an administrator protect the page, a standard procedure to force every one to stop edit warring and to take it to the talk page, as they are supposed to do. ;-) [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 05:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't we see a favela photo in the Rio de Janeiro page? Or any bad picture of any other city in wiki? When did wiki turned into trolls playground? I can sense the hatred and the childish laughter. Mystery.sin (talk) 04:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know some of you rejoice over these few photos but don't bother trolling because those slums were removed as part of the Urban Transformation Project. http://www.ankara-bel.gov.tr/AbbSayfalariEn/Kent_Rehberi/Parklar/dikmen_vadisi/dikmen_vadisi.aspx Mystery.sin (talk) 04:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a joke right? Cities that are famous for slums/shanties have no pictures of them. I went to artices about African and Indian cities and they have no such pictures, but "tourist brouchure' style ones. The article about Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan has a picture of a shiny, new office building. Wikipedia = FAIL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozdogan (talk • contribs) 00:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All cities have poor areas, including ones in the most developed countries. Ankara is no exception. But there needs to be a standard established here . This image is jarring and doesn't even represent how the poor in Ankara live. PS: Hmm, I see that picture was uploaded by Bertilvidet, a user known for his subtle anti Turkish edits. As usual, he picks out the worst of the worst.

Look, if those jokers continue, we upload pictures like these or these or even this one to pages pertaining to France... Believe it or not, the above pictures are ALL from France, respectively from Paris, Lille and finally Marseilles.... And I've just made the simplest of researches, people have to know their side of the "reality" too...
As a final word, one of the "Gecekondu" pictures uploaded above was actually of Samanpazarı and its beautiful Ottoman konaks of the 18th cenrtury in the central anatolian style... Now are they KIDDING???
Anyways, what's the percentage of the people in Ankara who live in a gecekondu anyways? 2%?
Then you'll see how they calm down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.100.119.67 (talk) 13:16, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Untranslated[edit]

Part of the template looks to be left in Turkish (parameters beginning "harita" right at the top; I'm assuming it's Turkish). Not sure what they should correspond to, but someone who knows should change or remove them. -- Shimmin Beg (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the word "harita" - which, according to Google Translate means "map" - to "logo" and "image" and it seems there is no file bearing the name "Ankara logo.gif." So I removed it. It doesn't seem to have affected the info-box overall. 08OceanBeachS.D. 21:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a couple of "coat of arms" parameters linking to another nonexistent file, which I'll also remove.-- Shimmin Beg (talk) 21:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Climate locations[edit]

I reverted this addition because the airport data is quite questionable—even with a elevation higher than the urban location by 60 metres and the more rural location, nothing can explain why Weatherbase's airport data averages a full 2 °C (Weatherbase rounds averages up) cooler than the city location during the day; the heat island effect isn't enough to cause such a large daytime difference. Also, Weatherbase's period of record (21 years) cannot compare with the official Turkish numbers (41 years). GotR Talk 22:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weatherbase is not the Turkish government (or any gov't for that matter), so the averages it presents are not official. Only data presented by gov't agencies, or derived from them, is official. There seems to be a clear mis-understanding of this. GotR Talk 07:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I had seen a page of Esenboga station in the website of Turkish State Meteorological Service. Latitude, longitude, altitude and some basic stats were identical as in Weatherbase, making me conclude they are official statistics. For some reason though, I can't find that page now, so the article may stay as it is now. Once I find it, I will post it here. --Mttll (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't make Weatherbase official, though. As long as you link to the Turkish site, and collapse the Airport data, I won't oppose its re-inclusion. GotR Talk 16:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Ankara[edit]

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Armenians[edit]

Eh... I really don't want to get into an edit war with local nationalists, so I'll mention this here and well-meaning curators can find a way to use the information. The EB9 notes that c. 1878

...the import of British and other European goods is considerable, although the trade is almost entirely in the hands of Armenians.

The EB11 notes that c. 1911

...Pop. estimated at 28,000 (Moslems, 18,000; Christians, largely Roman Catholic Armenians, about 9400; Jews, 400).

despite the vilayet of Angora as a whole being closer to 80% Muslim, again pointing to substantial Armenian involvement in the city and its international economy. Seems quite notable and worth mentioning. Right now we've got the disappearance of the Armenian bishop without any mention of the major congregation he was overseeing. — LlywelynII 15:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Local Government[edit]

Do cities in Turkey have local government? Is there an associated local government for Ankara, or are all of the districts simply governed at the provincial level? I see there seems to be made some distinction between between city and province, but it looks like it may only be statistical. Can this be made more clear in the article, perhaps by adding a "Government" subsection? --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"urban center"[edit]

What is the basis for the "urban center" population given in the opening paragraph? Is it a population base on a spatial urban area measurement, or is the basis a set of contiguous local government districts? More to the point, but does Turkey's national statsitics/census agency measure urban area population apart from the total given for these metropolitan municipalities? --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ssolbergj's file is not the real emblem of Ankara according to the municipality's website. Stop supporting wrong information! OnurT 16:04, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You should also give your opinion about the fake file on there. OnurT

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When did 'Ankara' become the established name?[edit]

The article mentions Angora and Engürü as the (presumably) most recent names before Ankara, but stops short of saying when the latter became the official or otherwise established name - does anyone know? Would be useful to add it to the etymology and names section. DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Portal:Ankara for deletion[edit]

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Servet-i-Funun articles on the vines of Angora[edit]

Servet-i-Funun had an article on the vines of Angora. https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/740/PFSIF9180926B003.jpg Not sure if this would be of use to the article but this is what I found WhisperToMe (talk) 23:27, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Use of Constantinople[edit]

@Bogazicili:

Hi! About this edit here, please see Talk:History_of_Istanbul#Should_the_name_"Istanbul"_be_used_for_the_Ottoman_city_instead_of_"Constantinople"?

I am aware "Istanbul" was used in Ottoman Turkish, but the consensus on the page was in consideration of the usage of Constantinople in French, English, and ethnic minority languages at the time. Official French-language Ottoman documents such as the French version of the constitution used Constantinople. Based on the talk page discussion, Constantinople should be used for the Ottoman era city on the English Wikipedia (as well as in the early Republic until 1930, when the US State Department began using Istanbul) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WhisperToMe!
1) I see limited participation in that RFC and it has a non-admin closure. Also, the non-admin closure states "strong consensus", but I do not see that in the responses. Several editors suggested both uses. Do you really believe the RFC you linked is enough to establish a Wikipedia-wide policy?
2) The part you edited does not have a source. It seems architecture related, and I had also edited Ottoman architecture. I remember some sources there using Istanbul. Eg: Freely, John (2011). A History of Ottoman Architecture. Can you find a source for your edit? If other sources use different terminology, how are you planning to address that? Do you believe the RFC you linked "trumps" Wikipedia:Neutral point of view?
3) In your original RFC comments, you referenced to US State Dept decision back in 1930. Do you think that's an appropriate benchmark for English Wikipedia, given Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias?
4) Also, in your original RFC, I'm surprised you did not seek input from relevant WikiProjects such as Wikipedia:WikiProject History and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities Bogazicili (talk) 11:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Bogazicili,
1. I had used the official RFC processes and notified multiple country/territory specific noticeboards, so I feel I had given adequate notice. I ensured the Turkey project was contacted.
2. The RFC had already considered Wikipedia:Neutral point of view in terms of academic/governmental considerations. While Ottomanist sources do use "Istanbul", there's consideration that there's Turkish government pressure on them.
3. Yes because this is language-based (on English usage), and the change in the US State Department and British sources (see articles from The Times/Manchester Guardian) in regards to the name in English is relevant here. As the Ottoman Empire was multiethnic, not only Turkish but also Greek, Armenian, Arabic, Bulgarian, Ladino, etc. uses would need to be considered if you feel the "original" languages would need to be considered.
4. That was an oversight, though remember the Istanbul/Constantinople concern is more of an area studies issue anyway.
You are welcome to start a new RFC. Just make sure all previous participants are notified!
WhisperToMe (talk) 23:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi WhisperToMe:
1) I would have still preferred an admin closure for above reasons.
2) I disagree with this after reviewing the RFC. There is also a massive logical error with your RFC. It doesn't matter what the sources at the time call Istanbul. What matters is that what sources now call Istanbul to refer to that period. For example, Byzantine is a term that was developed after Byzantine Empire (see: Byzantine_Empire#Nomenclature). If we followed your logic of considering only sources at the time, we would have to rename that article and change all Byzantine references.
3) Yes this is English Wikipedia, but I think how you consider US State Dept to be the most important source is inappropriate. Should we also consider that the most important source for Iraq war for example, just because this is English Wikipedia?
As for another RFC, I was also going to say the same thing. You seem very passionate about this issue, so feel free to start a new one. For this article though, I don't think the RFC you linked provides consensus for the change you wanted to make. Alternatively, we can proceed to dispute resolution. Going forward, can you also not use <!-- --> instructions in the article without gaining consensus, like you did here: [4]? Given your status as an administrator, this could be intimidating or confusing to new editors. Bogazicili (talk) 21:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Bogazicili,
1. I went back and checked the guidelines for RFC and I didn't see a differentiation between admin or non-admin closures. Anyhow for the second one I will state there will be a preference for an admin closure.
2. I had stated at the beginning of the first RFC that it that common for modern works to use Istanbul over Constantinople. Another use brought up the Byzantine Empire, though.
3. I chose the US State Department not to state that the American POV is what we should do, but because it reflects a delineation: when English language sources switched to using Istanbul. I reviewed some French-language sources (published in Turkey) at Salt Research and it seems they too switched to Istanbul around then.
4. For a second RFC, should the scope be for just this article and/or articles principally about modern Turkish subjects? Or should this RFC cover historical Ottoman subjects and/or articles about ethnic minorities in the Ottoman Empire? (another RFC user argued that usage could/should differ between say a ethnic Turkish pasha or an Armenian Ottoman). Should the RFC have the same scope as the previous one (assumed to be Wikipedia-wide)? That way I can craft RFC #2 appropriately.
5. As for internal comments I agree not to do such unless a second RFC has a clear consensus.
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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image changes[edit]

i think somebody should add ankara castle and roman baths instead of the presidential palace and sogutozu district to represent the historic fabric. 46.196.85.168 (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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