Talk:BMX

Use of scanned photographs in wikipedia

I would like to start adding images to my articles, specifically photographs to my articles on BMX athletes and personalities. I have tried to make heads or tails of the Wiki policies on the use of images but I do not claim to appreciate the nuances of copyright law, even when the descriptions are simplified by Wikipedia, so I will try to ask directly by giving the general descriptions and sources of the images I intend to use:

Scanned images from various BMX magazines, particularly those published in the 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's.

File information

Description	BMX personality headshot/racing shot(s).
Source	BMX magazine like "BMX Action","Super BMX & Freestyle" (both now defunct i.e. out of business) and "BMX Plus!" (still active)
Date	Generally the 1980's
Author	Staff photographers from the various magazines.
Permission (Reusing this file)	Unknown
Other versions	Unknown as far as I know.

I do not know what tag this would fall under.

If anyone here cannot help perhaps you can forward this to someone who can or tell me specifically where I can repost this letter. I will try to check in here as much as possible to see if I was answered. Hunter2005 19:44, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Notable riders?

Just wondering if it might be an idea to include a list of notable BMX riders in this article. There is a category for BMX riders but it isn't linked to. My knowledge of BMX riders just about goes as far as Mat Hoffman so I'm probably not the best person to do it. mh. 02:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Reason of removal of a listed BMXer

Removed Alexander Wurz as a legend because Tommy Brackens was the IBMXF World Champion for 1986 which was held in Slough, England. Furthermore, I do not see him listed among the IBMXF winners in the results in the December 1986 issue of Super BMX & Freestyle on page 73 for his age group. Shelby James was the World Champion for the 12 years old age group that year. Perhaps I am pointing to the wrong sanctioning body. Please name the sanctioning body Alexander Wurz allegedly won the world championship in.

Even if he did win a "World Championship" somewhere, wining one big title, doesn't make one a legend. One has to capture multiple titles and/or make major contributions to the sport, or at the very least have an unusually long longevity in the sport while making some contribution to it or a combination of the three. Alexander Wurz does not meet any of those criteria. Thank You. Hunter2005 05:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Nathan Carless

Nathan Carless is one of Australias PRO bmxers. Nathan raced bmx for 5 years then decieded to move on to concrete, park and trails nathan is a well known celebrity in the BMX world he rarely shows himself on T.V but he loves beening in BMX mags including 2020, ride bmx U.K and more Nathans one big sponser is GIANT BIKE CO. and others such as kink, fit, intense and GT.

Nathan rides his signature Giant the 2010 giant method. He lives in Perth WA. Nathan is only 14 years of age and is becoming the worlds youngert PRO bmxer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmxben100 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

No 14 year old kids warrants a section on this page. That is, unless you were 14 back in the late 70's / early 80's and your last-name is Miranda, Ellis, Thompson, Hill, Loncarevich, King, Brackens, or any of the other greats of that era. Nice try, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.0.248 (talk) 14:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup needed?

I see only one major problem with the article, and that's the use of external links. Other than that, is there really anything that needs cleanup? Assuming that's fixed, can the tag be taken down? -Harmil 21:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Iv been checking in on the use of the bmx external links from time to time and trying to keep them set alphabetized. Other than having to weed out a hand full of spam links and move around some of the add-in links to fit in place, year 2006, the use of the bmx external links seems to be looking ok, from my point of view. - Genesbmx September 2006

Iv been seeing just alittle abuse show up with the external links. The most, a few links showing up off-topic and some known URL links that host some adult content and a bit of abuse to the URL information beside the links. Other than this, Is there something that can be done to help keep the external links alphabetized? As of this post, the external links are all in order and are all cleaned up........ - Genesbmx January 22, 2007

Question

Shouldn't the article mention what BMX stands for? Most people don't know what that stands for(the initials I mean). TJ Spyke 03:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I added the acronymn definition for BMX, cleaned up the freestyle section, fixed some typos/errors and removed the clean-up tag. NickABusey 03:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

BMX is an oxymoron. It literaly means bicycle moto (motorcycle) cross-contry. Should'nt the moto be taken out?

Shouldn't, becouse historicaly this sport was created by imitating motocross, and eaven now this point is most important criteria for sport developing by keeping motocross image --Bmxrace 12:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Street/Micro-Gearing

Updated the street and micro-gearing content, by adding in a comment about the "first-wave" of street riding progression (although it's really probably the third or fourth, if you go all the way back to the '80s), added a bit more about the type of riding going on now (by making it less NYC-centric - although Ride and Props might not cover it, there's plenty of progressive street riding going on that doesn't involve Dipset, four pegs, no brakes, and fitted New Era caps), and placed the section on micro-gearing after this latest wave of progression, because that didn't really start coming into effect until 2002, if memory serves me right.

CMcMahon SJBMX 19:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Steel Ponies ?

FYI, in the first sentence after 20-inch wheels I removed "(sometimes referred to as iron horses or steel ponies)". Is that a joke or vandalism? I've been riding BMX and reading BMX mags for 26 years and have not heard anyone refer to their bikes as 'iron horses' or 'steel ponies' - sounds ridiculous. Those terms may apply to motorcycles but not BMX bikes.
Den. 1 March 2007

External links

All external links to a site that profits the site owner is unethical. Such as in the case of it is filled with banners and unrealted information.

Link to DMOZ or not at all.

I have been asking multiple autorities on BMX. So far they all agree. The site is an embarrassment to the bmx community. Using an unbiased resource like DMOZ would definitely be more appropriate. Thank god wikipedia is an open resource.

As Wikipedia often states

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I added the reference to DMOZ and will continue to indefinitely. If you want your spam site to be on top, work with the volunteer editors of DMOZ to prove that your site IS in fact the best resource. Sorry.

--James

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I'm with Vital BMX. Our site is one of the largest and most active BMX sites on the web. I think many people who come to Wikipedia to learn more about BMX would find our site extremely useful, so I think we should be listed as an external link (vitalbmx.com). Our site is far more relevant to BMX than most of the movies listed. We're not listed with DMOZ, as they appear to update very infrequently. I don't want to spam Wikipedia, so if someone agrees with me that we should be listed, please add our site.Brad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.139.160.106 (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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BMX Racing

BMX has been known to have a lot of disagreement between riders due to the different styles. People are so diverse and have so many different interests that it has caused people to hate each other for not doing what they are doing. A website started in 2007 was aimed to bringing the sport back together, with interviews, videos, photos, news, and other random things in the BMX world. The website is called BMXunion ( http://www.bmxunion.com ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmxrochester (talk • contribs) 03:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC) daniel

In the sections of this page where BMX Racing is mentioned the words "BMX Racing" should be a hyperlink to the BMX Racing Page.Ababmxdad (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

"BMX racing" = "BMX" --BMXrace.lv (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Request to remove Disc Brake reference

The reference to “Disc Brakes” for BMX Racing bikes adds no value to the reader nor is the technology wide spread enough to mention.

Perhaps instead mention of lightweight materials like Carbon Fiber, Titanium, Aircraft grade Aluminum and heat treated Chromoly would bring more insight. WE all know BMX racing is now leaning towards road cycling style technology proven by the number of Chris King sealed headsets you can see at any national BMX race.

BMX Freestyle bikes are now also embracing the advantages of lightweight components, see the new S&M line up. http://www.sandmbikes.com/

Ababmxdad (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

If such material is worth having, it belongs in the BMX bike article, not the BMX article. Acwilson9 (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Still wrong stand about therm "BMX"

"BMX" - means Bicycle motocross - It's a fact. What means Motocross? It's a racing sport with bikes on ofroad tracks. It's not just riding on bikes, or everything on Motocross bikes with large suspension/amo, etc. At the very begining, therm "Bicycle Motocross" was given for competitions/races on tracks imitating Motocross. Hope You've got what I mean and where I am leading You. Finaly - For those who didn't get: UCI, main and only official sanctioning body worldwide represents sport which name is "BMX", not "BMX Racing", "BMX race", etc. It means, that "BMX"(Like MX) is only racing on bicycles which construction, style, size is not strongly defined. This wrong, malicious and rough using of "BMX" I see at countless media prevailing at USA - bornplace of sport, where "BMX" is not sports name anymore, but brand for Bicycle manufacturers, magazines, TV shows and Comercial Actionsport show organisers. I hope, that UCI will restrict further using of "BMX" in future. It's geting anoying for BMX entusiasts. Just look at Freestyle BMX Federation site! At motosport everything is in right order. There is FMX and MX. There's not misinformation about what is Motocross and Freestyle Motocross. Why this problem is so big at cycling sport? It looks very stupid and obstinate for those who knows that "Bicycle Motocross" is name of only racing sport. Why there must be even question? For everyone is obvious that if acronym's last letter is "X" it means "cross", therefore - racing..as MX, SBX, 4X, etc. --BMXrace.lv (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

As right as you are, many people and sources still refer to Fresstyle BMX as BMX, which is why this page continues to be edited in this way. I agree, it shouldn't (and this is coming from a freestyle rider) maybe we should use a term like FBMX copying that of FMX. However the BMX page should still contain a link to Freestyle BMX, albeit as a short paragraph explaining the link and then linking to the main Freestyle BMX page. Which is what I have added, we'll see if anyone changes it.

--Yz rules (talk) 10:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

BMX Bike

There should definitely be a new page titled "BMX Bike" as it is a famous bike. Having this "Bicycle Motocross" page also is fine. There is a good pic in wiki commons too - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BMX_bicycle.JPG . Someone will have to sort out the redirects as currently "BMX Bike" redirects to here. --Farmer21… 08:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Too late - I've done it. Please help me expand the stub BMX bike --Farmer21… 09:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

History discussions

Started where? (CA?, NY? Holland?)

Edit request from 173.34.41.179, 1 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Please see this link for clarification.... it seems that BMX started in Holland... and not California!

173.34.41.179 (talk) 05:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Also, please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --ANowlin: talk 06:03, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Here is one:

http://www.23mag.com/hist/histoire.htm

Or just google BMX Holland and get a dozen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.188.5.67 (talk) 19:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 June 2012

Please see this video:

File:Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk9XVi0Gp1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk9XVi0Gp1g

BMX was started not started in California.

72.214.99.33 (talk) 23:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It's unclear to me that the video linked above meets that guideline. Also, please be specific about what text you'd added, removed or changed (note the word "verbatim" in the instructions above). Rivertorch (talk) 05:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 Oct. 2013

This help at all? I understand the USA is very proud of its BMX history but Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral. This is what will be reflected in the documentary I'm working on.

These images and the whole story could be fake, but that would be going to a lot of trouble - and there does seem to be reliable evidence to support the Dutch claims.

http://www.fatbmx.com/bmx/news/article.php?storyid=2372

82.29.204.131 (talk) 14:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)Smidoid

People have been riding bikes off road since the invention of the bike. BMX is a much more specific type of racing. I see pictures of a group of guys on motorcycles alongside one or two guys on bicycles -- obviously goofing around. That could have led to the invention of BMX, but did it? If what those guys in Holland and Belgium did in the 50s developed into BMX today, then we'd see a line of evidence connecting them. Like where is the evidence of BMX races organized and run in Holland in the 50s through the 60s up to today? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:44, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Checking the facts

In reference to BMX starting in NY, where is this sited?

The following is in the contrary:

Lake Forrest, CA (August 8, 2008)— "Although the sport of BMX Race is debuting at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, and many people are only now learning about the sport's existence, BMX Race has a long and storied history.

BMX (Bicycle Motocross) Racing got its start as far back as 1958, in the Netherlands. See for more info this link: http://www.fatbmx.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9115. Here you can actually video of the first ever BMX races. In 1970, Scott Breithaupt, widely credited as the founder of BMX, organized the first BMX Race in Southern California. A year later, in 1971, the motocross documentary On Any Sunday was released and featured kids on their bikes riding hand-built dirt tracks and imitating motocross riders. Suddenly, a new sport was emerging."

For this reason I have remove the reference to NY until it can be cited.

The reference to BMX & 20" wheels does not stand well for BMX Racing.Cruiser Class is not mentioned wich is has a huge following on 24" wheels. The BMX current Wiki has no information on the BMX Crusier segment that has now crossed over to the freestyle segment.

Old School, Mid School are also not classified or mentioned.

Mariana Pajon was the gold medalist in the 2012 olympics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.119.100.254 (talk) 06:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

amabmxdadAbabmxdad (talk) 16:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

References

starting from when

I believe that the term "B.M.X." should be broken down more-precisely. B = bicycle; M = motobike or motorbike style, (less the motor); X = cross-country (i.e., off-road). In the history of bicycles, Motobikes go back to 1920's (or earlier); bicycle racing goes back even further. Sometimes the racing was on roads - as in road-racing, and back when the term "road" was a very broad one, (not limited to well paved roads). Sometimes racing was on a track or velodrome, and sometimes off-road, even way back then, before 'millenials' were even born. So BMX, in one sense, denotes one particular snapshot-in-time of the development of these historical off-road bicycle races, that is, when motor-cross tracks/courses were adopted and adapted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

If you know of any source material that shows a connection between BMX and earlier off road bicycling, that would be a good contribution. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Move/merge "History" of two currently-overlapping articles

IMO, most of the BMX bike#History article section should be moved/merged into the BMX#History article section, with appropriate Template:See_also hatnotes in both articles. The latter article is about BMX overall, while the former is just about the bicycles used in BMX. The current redundancy between the two articles has also produced some inadvertent inconsistencies, which could be resolved with further fact-checking. (I cannot myself take this on right now.) Acwilson9 (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2014

This article requires more information on freestyle Manumancho (talk) 00:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format.

@Manumancho: Instead of just "more information", please state what information should be added and what reliable sources support the change. —C.Fred (talk) 00:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 18 February 2014

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request as the common name.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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Bicycle motocross → BMX – Per WP:COMMONNAME, article titles should be the most commonly used name, e.g. FIFA (not: Fédération Internationale de Football Association or International Federation of Association Football). Everyone calls this sport BMX, and the phrase "bicycle motocross" is rarely spoken or printed. Google nGram shows that the difference in usage isn't even close. BMX has 348,000 results at Google Books, vs only 4,100 for "bicycle motocross" Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support Oh, so that's what BMX stands for. Good find. WP:ACRONYMTITLE applies too. --BDD (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I had the same thought! Red Slash 04:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support no one really knows what BMX stands for, since BMX bikes became popular as trick bikes, then invaded skate parks taking on skateboards; and motocross is not representative of that. They don't have motors either. Further they're not downhill bikes, which are mountain bikes, but for which motocross bikes are used in the equivalent motorcycle sport. Depending on the track, BMX can also be downhill summer equivalent of winter's snowboardcross/skicross, which is not like a motocross track -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 05:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Good catch, blatant WP:COMMONNAME. Zarcadia (talk) 17:53, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support - well done. Red Slash 04:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
•  Disagree and oppose. The full name is better than the abbreviation. Mama meta modal (talk) 15:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC).
  • "Better"? Why? Per what policy or guideline that trumps WP:COMMONNAME? --B2C 05:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support - BMX is meets WP:CRITERIA better that current title. More natural, recognizable, and concise. Just as precise and consistent. --B2C 05:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
• Support, common and concise. bd2412 T 17:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2018

hi my name is william prince been in bmx since 1974 and would like to add/edit this page please let me know if i can

thanks william prince Freihofer (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, William. Could you describe specifically what you want to change on this page? Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 06:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 08:51, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2019

Under 'International Development' please change "In 2003, the International Olympic Committee made BMX a full medal Olympic sport" to "In 2003, the International Olympic Committee made BMX Racing a full medal Olympic sport"

Following this paragraph please add: In June 2017 the Olympic Committee announced that BMX Freestyle Park would be included in the Tokyo 2020 Games, being added alongside other action sports including skateboarding and surfing. Throughout 2018 and 2019, the UCI BMX Freestyle World Championships will be acting as qualifying competitions for Olympic hopefuls, with 8 male and 8 female riders being able to qualify for the event, joining one male and one female rider from host country Japan. Tom.Edgington (talk) 10:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Since you're autoconfirmed (see here), you should be able to edit this semi-protected page. Roadguy2 (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Book in PDF about Motocross

Might be a useful reference for someone writing in the article. Bruxton (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Cultural impact

[copied from Talk:BMX_bike#Cultural_impact Acwilson9 (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

It would be worth mentioning the cultural impact of BMX in early 80's, esp. on the wave of popular movies like E.T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.49.76 (talk) 18:31, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Is BMX popularity waning in the 21st century? Acwilson9 (talk) 18:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)