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There seems to be a contradiction between this article and the article A55 road - this article claims locals are still campaigning for a bypass, the A55 road article says it bypasses St Asaph!--213.162.108.112 19:46, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Town / City

The intro seems to contradict itself - it calls St Asaph a city in the first line, then a town in the second line. I always thought it was a city. Can anyone confirm? Kingbumpkin (talk) 09:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Officially, it's a town. Historically, it's a city. – PeeJay 09:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the contradiction still exists. If St Asaph is officially a town then the first paragraph should be changed to reflect this. I will edit if there are no objections. Kingbumpkin (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, done. Kingbumpkin (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

St Asaph seems to be a town and a city, at the same time. It had city status in 1911, and (as far as I know) the locals never agreed to a change of any kind. In nearby counties, it is universally known as a city.

If there is some kind of office, that lists cities, we should ask it how this dual status came to be, and update the article in accordance. I'll have a sniff about and try to find out about this, else it'll be classified as a "city-town", to reflect the reality of the situation. 87.115.136.154 (talk) 12:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

In general, every city is also a town. More precisely, city status bestowed on an area does not deprive that area of any other status. A city as exceptionally small as St David's, for example, might perhaps even be seen as a village, just as St Asaph is both a small town and an exceptionally small city. Township is not generally an official status, so there is no official list, and people may have different views as to whether a place is a large village or a small town. On the other hand, city status is established by royal charter or (formerly) by being home to a cathedral. So for example the two towns of Brighton and of Hove together comprise the administrative county, district and (latterly) city of Brighton and Hove. See City status in the United Kingdom for more info. Richardguk (talk) 15:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on towns and villages, which seem right. St Asaph is certainly a town, and (as there is no disputing that St Asaph is home to a cathedral) it is a city as well. I'm not aware of any way for a place that was once a city to become a non-city (e.g. even Machu Piccu is still called a city). Also, it has been known as a city since "since time immemorial" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City#United_Kingdom_and_Ireland). It is thus a city on at least two counts. As there seem to be no particular priorities between the necessary criteria (time immemorial, royal charter or cathedral) then any is sufficient to quality St Asaph as a city. Should the article be updated? 138.253.48.80 (talk) 09:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

NB: Unless anyone objects, I intend to update the intro to say "St Asaph ... is a town and Cathedral City ...". Please let me know. Cheers, 138.253.48.80 (talk) 09:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

See Rochester and Perth. Technically, the only British place with time-immemorial city status is the City of London; all others have had their city status reconferred when local government changes abolished their original council. St. Asaph is categorically not a city. Wereon (talk) 02:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

St.Asaph may have now been denied the status of a MUNICIPAL CITY but it is certainly a CATHEDRAL CITY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.10.0 (talk) 21:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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