Talk:St James's

Naming of this page[edit]

Move to include the abbreviative point[edit]

Have moved this from St James's, London to ~~St. James's, London. Actually, thinking about it, it would probably be best placed at~~ St. James's. Thoughts? James F. (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Correct and simplest would be St James, London as explained below. St James's is correct but fussy. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about some respect for UK spellings for UK names?

"St. Jame's" is NOT the name of the place this article is about. Its name is St James's, with NO period after the "St" and (at least this was right) an "s" after the apostrophe. I know that Wikipesdia is US-centric, and that that can't be helped - that's the way it works - but surely it's Wikipedia policy to respect British spellings for British places? In the UK we're taught to spell Pearl Harbor without a "u", however odd it looks to us - how about some reciprocity? - (signed) King Canute

Absolutely. But in preference St James, London because 1. simplicity and 2. many/most old sources did not use the apostrophe. I think the problem may have been disambiguation; but now it's standard to use a second place word as the disambiguation in WP place names. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Err, actually, there is no single rule in British English; Westminster Council, the Royal Parks, and Transport for London all use the point in the name of "St. James's", hence why we renamed it (along with several other related articles) in 2005. As someone who works in St. James's, I expect to see the point in the name; shouldn't we keep it at the name that is used most commonly?

James F. (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apostophe in title - Should be St James's as that's what the place is called[edit]

A recent edit has moved this article to be St James', whereas the place is known as St James's (which is where is was moved from). The instigator of the change cites a BBC article on St James' Park, Newcastle. There they do omit the final s after the apostrophe, but it's not the case for the area this article refers to! Pauljyoung (talk) 16:41, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To follow-up, this was since done (original move by Ioannis Karabelas on 3 April 2021; revert by AjaxSmack on 24 April 2021). James F. (talk) 15:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Naming questions[edit]

Noticed the following:

In the "Toponymy" section, it states "The area's name is derived from the dedication of a 12th-century leper hospital to Saint James the Less." The link to Saint James the Less specifically states "He is not to be confused with James, son of Zebedee ("James the Great or Elder")."
In the "Street name etymologies" section, the entry for "St James’s Market, St James’s Place, St James's Square, St James’s Street and Little St James’s Street – the site of St James’s Palace was originally the site of St James’s leper hospital in the Middle Ages, named after James, son of Zebedee".

Are these contradicting each other? If so, which is correct? I don't have access to the sources used in the second entry, so I can't verify which is correct. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:07, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One can't say with certainty as there are no records of the hospital's foundation (OR alert: given its location and the fact it was already extant at the time of the Conquest it was almost certainly founded by Edward the Confessor who's basically responsible for the existence of Westminster), but assume James, son of Zebedee. It's documented that 25 July was celebrated at the hospital (source), which is the feast day of James the Great, not James the Less. ‑ Iridescent 00:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Iridescent: Maybe I'm just getting old, but I'm not seeing anything about July 25 in that article. Will you quote the sentence so I can find it? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my fault, it's not clear; it's "a double allowance of bread and ale on St James's Day". In the old liturgical calendar St James's Day means 25 July (the feast day of James the Great); confusingly, the feast of James the Less is on St Philip's Day in October. ‑ Iridescent 10:51, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Iridescent: Thanks! I've tagged the toponymy sentence as dubious, pointing to this discussion. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:55, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]