Talk:Nemesis

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"Former Great Goddess"[edit]

The passage "She is the implacable executrix of justice—that of Zeus in the Olympian scheme of things—but it was clear she existed before him, for her images associate her with several goddesses who are manifestations of the former Great Goddess: Cybele, Rhea, Demeter and Artemis" lacks a cite and seems to refer directly to the Murray Thesis of a prehistoric monotheistic goddess cult that has been thoroughy discredited over the years as false. It should probably be removed, or explained further and cited. Dinoguy2 10:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changed. Disinclination 03:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sophmores quickly learn to dismiss all pre-Olympian cult and myth in just such terms. Margaret Murray's discussion of Nemesis, if there is one, well might be addressed in this article, even if to dismiss it out of hand: that would be a good task for Dinoguy2, it would seem. Some citation of Lewis R. Farnell, The Cults of the Greek Sates vol. II, chapter xiv (Nemesis), on the other hand, might improve this article. I don't have it. --!Wetman 08:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It can't be said she existed prior to the indo-european Zeus/Dyaus, but existed locally before the likely adoption of indo-european pantheon / naming convention. This should be made clear. 66.243.213.232 (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Leda/Nemesis[edit]

Isn't Leda the mother of the twins? And isn't it also Leda who has an "encouter" with Zeus in the form of a swan?!?

Another account of the

on Invidia = Phthonos and Nemesis[edit]

The reference linked to for equating Nemesis with Invidia is a review; it would be better if the source itself were used. More generally (and I think into Christian usage), Phthonos = Invidia, as in allegorical depictions of self-gnawing. The article may imply too strongly that Invidia was the standard Latin translation of Nemesis, when it seems to be more complex matter, judging from the review cited. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Appearance[edit]

It would be useful to describe her appearence, so that people can recognise her in art and litereature. I see she is carrying a sword in one picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlglover (talk • contribs) 15:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is illustrated. The link to Commons should offer an extensive gallery. As with the BVM, her appearance depends upon the place, time and medium.--Wetman (talk) 19:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for a good article . . .[edit]

I enjoyed reading and learning. What about current word usage, "That person is my nemesis." I'll reread the article herein and see if that aspect is covered enough, with examples. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 13:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 April 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:38, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nemesis (mythology) → Nemesis
Nemesis → Nemesis (disambiguation)

– Clear primary topic in historical precedence, as opposed to the hypothetical planet. Most other disambiguation entries' names were based on the goddess. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Katolophyromai (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - 1096 vs 246 views in last 20 days. Johnbod (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 00:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Paul August ☎ 01:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 10:42, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Comments[edit]

Looking at the old page and this new monstrosity, it is clear that none of those involved have any classical knowledge, nor do they have any objective sense.

Νέμεσις - she's not a Roman Goddess.

She's Greek.

She's not a Goddess.

She has children.

Old page linked to some of her children: notably the Moirai. This new page not only severs her from all mythology, it seems to suggest that some 19th Century proto-Germanic Nationalist fantasy of her is "accurate".

There are a thousand other depictions of Νέμεσις WITHOUT wings, because, you know, SHE IS NOT AN ANGEL OR CHRISTIAN.

And this hatchet job is a joke.

Oh, and children editing this page: from νέμω (némō, “to distribute”).

She dispensed Justice (HARSH) version = fair treatment in return IF AND ONLY IF subject had done wrong.

She was never about Retribution, I'd suggest looking up Theseus and the Minotaur and his ditching his bride on the island.

Νέμεσις is LITERALLY not a retributive Goddess, one of the Furies is there for that.

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Filed to the Oxford Classics department to show them just how badly Wikipedia is being abused. Suspected Neo-Fascist / Nationalists.

Seriously.

Shame on ALL of you involved with this. Utter nonsense, utter foolishness.

~Your picture links to:

Adrasteia/ Adrestia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrasteia

You have literally edited this page with a picture of a minor nypmh because it looks Christian.

Utter nonsense.

Redacted this, fine.

But you're publishing utter dreck and this is now: FILED.

NO REALLY - WHATEVER YOU EDIT - YOU PUT A PICTURE (19th C, German) OF NOT THIS GODDESS WITH WINGS TO PRETEND SHE DID CHRISTIAN "JUSTICE".

UTTER FRAUDS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:968F:7B00:C590:13E:E4FD:C52D (talk) 02:17, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Νέμεσις -- WONDER WHY YOU CAN'T FIND STATUES OF HER?

We will never know since your ignorant muppitude edited the page so we can NEVER KNOW why there's not a statue of Νέμεσις.

HINT: SHE DID NOT HAVE WINGS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:968F:7B00:C590:13E:E4FD:C52D (talk) 02:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh, and to the person reverting all the changes: so be it - Νέμεσις is not retribution, she's the Goddess of <harsh - fair> Justice. In Greek this had an entirely different meaning than this Christian / Ignorant Folk version that has been published here.

"Jesus was a God of Drinking" --- that's your analogy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:968F:7B00:C590:13E:E4FD:C52D (talk) 02:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you provide reliable sources for any of the assertions you make above, then they can be incorporated into the article. Paul August ☎ 12:29, 28 December 2019‎ (UTC)

I can provide reliable sources for ALL of those "assertions". Try, you know, not linking to ROMAN sources (your link #1) and try linking to the Ancient Greek Fragments we have.

There are multiple reputable sources online (OX in particular), for instance:

Nemesis, both goddess and abstract concept from νέμειν (to deal or distribute); often a personified moral agent (‘Retribution’) like Lachesis and Praxis. She was daughter of Night (*Nyx), according to Hesiod, and born after the Moirai (see fate) and *Keres as ‘an affliction to mortal men’ (Theog. 223). An Attic tradition names *Oceanus as father (Paus. 1. 33. 3, 7. 5. 3; cf. schol. on Lycoph. 88), perhaps to indicate that she belonged to an older generation of gods (Herter, RE 16/2. 2362). Homer did not know the goddess (schol. on Hes. Theog. 223), although he was familiar with *Themis. He probably introduced the negative sense of anger, disgrace, and censure which is absent from the verb but reflected in Hesiod's genealogy. The moral element becomes more distinct in Hesiod's juxtaposition of Nemesis beside Aidos (Op. 200), echoing Il.

https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-4373

Lastly, this new edit has removed her actual Greek name and kept the Christian-Germanic reimagining of a minor Nymph. Should we type in 14 or 88 to know exactly what is going on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:968F:7B00:7922:2C97:45AF:C56E (talk) 22:57, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Moved page[edit]

Inactive article so no reason for a move debate. WikiHmmmm... (talk) 10:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your reasoning here. Nemesis is now a red link. This move should have been discussed, given the 2018 consensus. What do you mean by "inactive"? – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The move has been reversed. See here for context. – Michael Aurel (talk) 19:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]