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Toussaint Louverture was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 26, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

Toussaint Louverture was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: March 25, 2006. (Reviewed version).

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Birthdate[edit]

The infobox says 20 May and the lede says 9 May, which is it? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe neither. I too would like to see a source for a May birthdate. I've seen speculation that he was born on November 1, and named for All Saints' Day (in French, "La Toussaint"). 65.175.242.16 (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Francois?[edit]

So back to the question buried in the archive, where did all of the sources giving his first name as Pierre-Dominique come from? They are copious and authoritative enough that the mistake itself (and its reason) should be mentioned in the article. — LlywelynII 16:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

'Mulatto' reference issues[edit]

Can we please include additional context when using the term 'mulatto' in this article?

'Mulatto' is INDEED a derogatory term. Unfortunately, it's beginning to make its way back into the American lexicon, and it's articles like this one that are to blame. Can we please include the appropriate references/callouts to make sure that readers understand WHY it's appropriate to use in this context (i.e. Haitian vs. general term)?

Additionally, it is completely overused. If it's not adding necessary information, then it's irrelevant as a descriptor. - "The most serious of these was the mulatto commander Jean-Louis Villatte, based in Cap-Français." (We wouldn't say 'white commander' here.) - "The inscription is opposite a wall inscription, also installed in 1998, honoring Louis Delgrès, a mulatto military leader in Guadeloupe who died leading the resistance against Napoleonic reoccupation and re-institution of slavery on that island." (We wouldn't say 'white military leader' here.) Grokante (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Charlotte Pelagie De Monet was not his foster mother she is the sister of Jean Baptiste La Mark[edit]

There are many Bio”s mixed up in this one story Toussaint was certainly royalty and born on the very plantation associated with King Charles II who died the year before or the same year is the infamous “Edict” that outlawed most of his natural legitimate family, which means more than likely Toussaint is one of his descendants. In the time of his life from when his grandfather was murdered the same year the Code noir began 1724 was probably for a mixed marriage. Also this Cecile is the same Cecile rumored to be a descendant of King Christopher Newhoff King or Corsica (Corsair = Corse Hair = Nappy Hair) 141.154.13.95 (talk) 15:14, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should we call him Toussaint III? How many are there?[edit]

There is the one mentioned in the record of Louis Dubois son of Chretian There is one that is the fur trapper There is one from the mud 1800’s 141.154.13.95 (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Toussaint Louverture/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk · contribs) 15:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to review this article.

Initial thoughts: there are three apparently valid {{citation needed}} tags, and several other uncited claims including a quote from Henri Christophe. These all need fixing if the article is to read Good Article status. There are also many citations to James 1814: is such a dated source reliable? And several to James without any date given: are these to James 1814 or James 1934? And in either case is that a reliable source? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As the nominator has not been active for over a month and there has been no engagement with this review in a week, I am going to fail it now. Anyone who wants to bring the article up to GA would be well advised to fix the sourcing issues before renominating. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible citation[edit]

"Years afterward, the French government ceremoniously presented a shovelful of soil from the grounds of Fort de Joux to the Haitian government as a symbolic transfer of Louverture's remains.[citation needed] "

This event is confirmed in the scientific article that follows (in french) : https://hal-normandie-univ.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01705409/document 193.52.40.226 (talk) 12:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]