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Healy[edit]

The article on Dillon seems to suggest that Healy might have been leader of the anti-Parnellites from 1891-1896. Does anybody know what the deal is on this? john k 01:58, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Healy led a separate breakaway groupfrom the main Anti-Parnell Nationalist Party User:Henry Williams 10 Jan 2005

Nationalist Party after 1918[edit]

I think we need something on the Nationalist Party led by Joe Devlin in the north after 1918, which was a continuation of this party. User:Henry Williams 10 Jan 2005

We now have both this page and Nationalist Party (Ireland) really covering the same thing. Does anyone want to attempt either a merger or a delineation? Timrollpickering 23:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Townsend/Townshend references[edit]

I don't have either Charles Townshend's 'Easter 1916: The Irish Rebellion' or Tim Pat Coogan's '1916. The Easter Rising', nor have I seen any book on the subject by Townsend (sic). I suspect that up to half a dozen references in this article need to be double-checked and re-attributed to the correct author (spelled correctly) and to the correct book. Pwaldron (talk) 00:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy section and copyvio[edit]

As it stands, the "Party’s legacy" section is nothing more than a sizeable chunk of F.S.L. Lyons's The Irish Parliamentary Tradition. The use of the cquote template and the addition of citations does not make this any less copyvio. At the very least, these three paragraphs need to be paraphrased; ideally it should be re-written in encyclopaedic form using verifiable information from more than one single source. One way or another, the present text has to go. If somebody does not undertake to rewrite it I propose to revert to this pre-2010 version:

The greatest achievement of the IPP was the introduction to Irish society of a parliamentary constitutional tradition and all that went with it – a fully up and running local government administration with its diverse institutions, which had rooted itself more deeply than anyone could have imagined into the life of the country. The party had above all (in the era prior to 1914) contributed in its prime to the political maturity of the nation and to the transformation of its society.
This in turn paved the way for the creation of the Irish Free State, in which its parliament, Dáil Éireann, had scarcely started to function before, almost unconsciously, it began to utilise and to build upon the constitutional tradition it had inherited. This is perhaps the highest tribute that can deservedly be bestowed upon the old Irish Parliamentary Party, which during fifty years of hard and exacting as well as frustrating parliamentary labours, established and fostered the development of representative institutions which gave stimulus to democratic action and discussion at every level of political involvement. Its particular legacy remains that it was the last and only party to represent and serve an undivided Ireland.

Scolaire (talk) 12:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no rational reason why the earlier cited IPP legacy summary by historian Michael Laffan (disputed or otherwise) from the Irish Times supplement, Constitutionalism – eclipsed and reborn, in "Home Rule and Ulster’s resistance, 1912", pp.28-29, published 25 April 2012, supported by the Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, and originally in this article's "Party's legacy" section, should have been deleted and not moved together with the above to the Talk section. It ran as follows:

After Independence, the moderate Home Rule party was effectively airbrushed out of official Irish history, but it left its mark in politics – North and South. The new Sinn Féin party that emerged in 1917 was heavily influenced by its Home Rule predecessors. Perhaps obliviously Sinn Féiners adopted and adapted the tactics of their Home Rule opponents, and soon beat the Redmonites at their own game. They quickly came to represent and cherish old local customs associated with the Home Rule party, absorbing their habits and skills and passing them on to its successors, Cumann na nGaedheal/ Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil.

Constitutional Irish nationalism was seemingly triumphant in 1912, then apparently destroyed in 1916, but it revived and remarkably—was consolidated under the leadership of former republican rebels, who had rejected moderate political approaches a few years earlier. The Home Rule bill of 1912 was not in itself a dead end. It formed part of the democratic tradition that was adopted a decade later and which has dominated Irish politics to the present day.

Osioni (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really unbiased to assert that a devolved legisature in Dublin was/is a "moderate" position? 2A02:8084:B3A2:CC80:A9EA:135D:CC3A:8FA2 (talk) 05:43, 9 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

'Legacy disputed' section[edit]

This section is clearly somebody's personal hobby-horse. It has had multiple tags on it since August/September 2010, and only one fact is cited, which doesn't relate to any 'legacy dispute'. I am taking it out altogether. Scolaire (talk) 11:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and while we're on legacies I don't see any mention of the nationalist imperialist James Rochfort Maguire. Or Parnell's funding by Cecil Rhodes. I suppose all of that wouldn't sit with the theory of Ireland as a "colony"!78.19.230.11 (talk) 12:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Redmondite/Redmonite[edit]

Twice in the article, I've come across Redmond's followers being descried as "Redmonites". I assumed this was a typo and amended it to "Redmondite". Feel free to change back if I've jumped to conclusions and "Redmonite" is correct usage.Paulturtle (talk) 04:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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