Talk:Kurdistan/Archive 3

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Cleanup tasks

Useless sections: Folowing sections are definately misplaced, the information prsented does not explain the geo cultural region. "The Shivan Qaderi incident" "Anfal Campaign" "The case of Leyla Zana"
Lead: Definately too long
External links: This section cantains links that does not explain the region "Kurdistan", this article exists to explain "Kurdistan" not every random referance to "Kurdistan" should be an external link.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with User:Cool Cat that there is too much information or too many perspectives represented in this article. Feel free to add more if you feel something has been omitted och neglected, but pluease do not go on eradication rampages. If there are specific sentences that you think is wrong or unbalanced, just correct that single bit and explain why you did it. Deleting entire paragraphs is not the way to go. --Big Adamsky 21:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a blog. This article has no encyclopedic value if it concists of "information" that is not even relevant to the topic. We do not have an entier paragraph on Martin Luther King junior in North America. If this article exists to explain a region information should be strictly limited to that. I am not suggesting the information goes to hell but entier paragraphs need to be migrated elsewhere. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 16:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Sections moved

Forced Relocations in Turkey

Security forces in Turkey forcibly displaced Kurdish rural communities during the 1980s and 1990s in order to combat the Kurdish Workers’ Party (PKK) insurgency. By the mid-1990s, more than 3,000 villages had been virtually wiped from the map, and, according to official figures, 378,335 Kurdish villagers had been displaced and left homeless.(see [1],[2] and [3].

Why is this relevant to this article? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Discussed below --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The case of Leyla Zana

In 1994 Leyla Zana--who, three years prior, had been the first Kurdish woman elected to the Turkish parliament--was sentenced to 15 years for "separatist speech". At her inauguration as an MP, she reportedly identified herself as a Kurd. Amnesty International reported "She took the oath of loyalty in Turkish, as required by law, then added in Kurdish, 'I shall struggle so that the Kurdish and Turkish peoples may live together in a democratic framework.' Parliament erupted with shouts of 'Separatist', 'Terrorist', and 'Arrest her'". In 1994, after she and three other Kurdish MPs (Hatip Dicle, Orhan Dogan and Selim Sadak) joined the newly formed Democracy Party, which was quickly banned by the authorities, her immunity was lifted, and she and the other three were arrested. They were accused of treason and promptly jailed. [4],[5]. She was recogized as a "Prisoner of Conscience" by Amnesty International. When she was awarded the European Parliament’s Sakharov Prize in 1995, she had been jailed for one year of a 15-year sentence. In 2002, a movie named The Back of the World [6] examined her case. In 2004, after she had spent 9 years in prison, the European Court of Human Rights found shortcomings in her 1994 trial. Under pressure from the European Union [7], she was allowed to collect her Sakharov prize in 2004, while awaiting a new retrial. [8], [9], [10],[11],[12] While in prison she published a book titled Writings from Prison [13]

Why is this relevant to this article? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I do not believe what happened to Mrs. Zana was just, however I also know in the US American Gov executed two innocent people for being Soviet spies, a side product of "Communist Paranoia". The only reason I make this referance is to point out that the two individuals that got executed do not appear on North America and hence its inaproporate for Mrs. Zana to be on this article, however a "See also" referance in Kurdish people should work. (This article is not about Kurds but of a geographic region) --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Arrest of Ocalan

In 1999, a joint operation by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Turkish National Intelligence Agency (MIT), and the Israeli Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks Agency (Mossad) located and arrested the leader of the Kurdish paramilitary group PKK, Abdullah Ocalan, in Kenya. The Turkish Intelligence Agency later declared that he was staying in the Greek embassy in Nairobi with a Greek Cypriot passport, issued in Greece. The Greek bureaucrats responsible were forced to resign, and Abdullah 'Apo' Ocalan was tried and sentenced to death, later commuted to life imprisonment in the island of Imrali. This is the only proven case of Western assistance to the PKK. Earlier, PKK had support from Syria, Iran and various Kurdish clans in Iraq. Ocalan was originally based in Syria but was forced to leave in late 1998 following Turkey's deployment of large numbers of troops on the Syrian border. Remnants of the PKK are based in Northern Iraq who from time to time cross the mountains border into Turkey for attacks.

PKK/KADEK has been described as a terrorist group by the United States since 1997 and more recently in 2004 by the European Union.

Meanwhile over the last decade, to comply with the European Union's standards to start membership accession talks, the Turkish Government has lifted almost all the bans on Kurdish speech, press, visual/audio production, and education, and also started broadcasting Kurdish language programs in the government TV and radio channels. This, however, did not stop the PKK from breaking its ceasefire of 1999 later in 2001 and in 2005. The PKK has come under pressure fom Kurdish leaders recently to end its campaign, following overtures from Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan.

Why is this relevant to this article? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 11:57, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I do not see the relevance of PKK to this article, PKK has its own artilce, the material should be a minor referance and someting like . --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Anfal Campaign

Anfal--"the Spoils"(of War)--is the name of the eighth sura of the Koran. It is the name of a operation carried out against Kurds from March 29 1987 until April 23 1989, by the former Iraqi regime under command of Ali Hassan al-Majid (also known as "Chemical Ali"). It was characterized by the following gross violations of human rights:

Mass summary executions and mass disappearance of many tens of thousands of non-combatants, including large numbers of women and children, and sometimes the entire population of villages;
The widespread use of chemical weapons, including mustard gas and the nerve agent GB, or Sarin, against the town of Halabja as well as dozens of Kurdish villages;
The wholesale destruction of some 2,000 villages, which are described in government documents as having been "burned," "destroyed," "demolished" and "purified," as well as at least a dozen larger towns and administrative centers (nahyas and qadhas);
By the most conservative estimates, 50,000 rural Kurds died during Anfal.
Army engineers destroyed the large Kurdish town of Qala Dizeh (population 70,000).

([14] by the Human Rights Watch)

Since the Persian Gulf War of 1991, the Kurdistan Democratic Party under the leadership of Massoud Barzani, and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan under the leadership of Jalal Talabani have controlled much of Southern Kurdistan. The capital of the Kurdistan Autonomous Region is Arbil (also known as Hewlêr in Kurdish), although the main Kurdish parties have indicated their preference for Kirkuk as the capital of an eventual Kurdish state. The latter city is currently hotly contested by Kurdish, Arab and Turkmen factions, and there is a strong and vocal opposition of Turkey to permanent Kurdish control of the city.

Why is this relevant to this article? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Chemical Ali has international recognition of being a war-crimial (I thnk) the incident is a major one and should have a detailed article regarding the incident but it really does not fit to this article. Disagrements? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The Shivan Qaderi incident

On July 9 2005, a Kurdish opposition activist, Shivan Qaderi [15] (a.k.a Shwane Qadri or Sayed Kamal Astam) and two other Kurdish men were shot by Iranian security forces in Mahabad. According to witnesses, the security forces then tied Qaderi's body to a Toyata jeep and dragged it through the streets. Iranian authorities confirmed that Qaderi, "who was on the run and wanted by the judiciary", was shot and killed while allegedly evading arrest.

For the next six weeks, riots and protests erupted in Kurdish towns and villages throughout Eastern Kurdistan such as Mahabad, Sinne (Sanandaj), Sardasht, Piranshahr (Xanê), Oshnavieh (Şino), Baneh, Bokan and Saqiz [16] (and even inspiring protests in southwestern Iran and in Baluchistan in eastern Iran) with scores killed and injured, and an untold number arrested without charge. The Iranian authorities also shut down several major Kurdish newspapers arresting reporters and editors.

Why is this relevant to this article? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 20:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

This is a brutal incident, no doubt. It would belong to a wiki-news article written on july. It really is a minor incident that doesn't need to be on a wikipedia article in my view. Disagrements? --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:10, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

If this page is being treated as every other Wiki article for nations, regions, countries and areas of population, notable/specific news events would not usually be included. This could be moved to a separate article doktorb 08:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

All the above material are part of the region's history

All the above paragraphes that you have deleted, are important. These are part of the history of the region. Anfal, Forced Relocations in Turkey and Leyla Zana are all issues that have occurred in the geo-cultural region of Kurdistan and should be mentioned.Heja Helweda 21:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with that. There is no reason to delete the above material. -- Karl Meier 08:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Then you can explain how those sections explain a region. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 12:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

They can be articles on their own, I do not mind that. I am sorry but that information, unless you can explain why does not improve this article, is misplaced.

Forced Relocations are among standard counter terrorism mesure, if there is violence somewhere evacuating civilians is a very humanatarian thing rather than allowing them to get kılled.

We do not have Martin Luther King Jr appearing on North America even though he is one of the most significant personalities in that geographic region, if not the world. Leyla zana or abdullah ocalan are notable personalities but do not relate to this article any more than martin luther king to north america. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 12:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It has already been pointed out to you that the material is relevant to the history of this region, and it's obvious that there is no concensus to remove any of it. So please quit insisting on it Cool Cat, it won't look nice at a possible next ArbCom case. -- Karl Meier 16:27, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you please do not disrupt my edit experience and let others monitor. Also if I am really horible this will generate evidence you need, although I wouldnt count on that. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 18:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It is obviously you that is stalking me, following me around and making nasty comments about me on your userpages. That should be very clear now. Could you please stop disrupting my "edit experience" and also Wikipedia's articles regarding Kurds with you Turkish ultra-nationalist POV -- Karl Meier 19:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not post the comment 7 minutes after your post. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Wow, what an interesting fact you provide us with there Cool Cat... Now could you write something that is relevant? Maybe you could substantiate your "reasons" for deleting large sections of referenced information in this article? -- Karl Meier 19:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you go pester someone else, Id rather discuss this with a person willing to talk, a.k.a . User:Heja helweda --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you please stop following me around and POV attack the articles I am editing? -- Karl Meier 19:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Ocalan

If all the deleted material by Cool Cat were irrelevant, then he/she should have removed "Ocalan" section too. Obviously, Cool Cat has a strong POV on this article. Heja Helweda 22:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I apologise, I missed that one. It wasnt intentional, however do not label me of things. I know I have POV and I am not pushing any given I am only moving material. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 12:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Removing material that doesn't suit you personal POV can be PoV editing too, Cool Cat, and that is what you are doing yet again. -- Karl Meier 16:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I decline to respond to that. You are disrupting my editing experience. Please stop. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 18:57, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

You followed me to this article, not the other way around, so you got no reason to complain about me being here. Could you please stop stalking me and attacking the articles I am editing with your POV pushing? -- Karl Meier 19:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not stalking you, thats your profession. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I got plenty of diffs that show otherwise. You reverted me for no reason only minutes after I made a small reasonable edit to this article. It's clear that you have failed to end your harrasment against me and Davenbelle. -- Karl Meier 19:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Complain to arbcom or someone else, your contribution on this talk page have so far only been complaints of various sorts and personal referances to me. This is being very uncivil. If any admin finds that I am pov pushing in the article they can block me, since I am not blocked you have no basis for your accusation. Why are you monitoring me anyways. You are not supposed to as arbcom established you shouldnt. Arbcom never banned me from this article. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not monitoring you Cool Cat. Please don't make any false accusations about that. It was you that followed me to this article and not the other way around. Anyway, it's clear that you are POV editing again, despite an ArbCom decision that made it very clear that you shouldn't do that. Also, for the record, please be clear that the ArbCom didn't say that I could not monitor your editing. What the ArbCom decision said was that I was adviced to let others take the lead in monitoring your questionable edits. -- Karl Meier 19:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PKK

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24 January 1987 Mardin-Midyat / Basyurt Efeler Village in south Eastern Turkey 11 Innocent civillian people( 7 children, 1 women, 3 men) were murdered by PKK

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07 March 1987 Mardin- Nusaybin / Açikyol Village in south Eastern Turkey 8 Innocent civillian people( 6 children, 2 women ) were murdered by PKK

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18.July.1993 Van-Bahçesaray Sündüz village in south eastern Turkey 26 Innocent civillian people(14 children, 8 Women, 4 Men) were murdered by PKK

And thousands of people murdered by PKK. PKK sells narkotic and buys weapon to kill guiltless civils. Is this independence war? Does the baby that in the cradle give them independence. Everybody must be learn their native language but using guns? or killing babies.

I have removed the images, please focus on the article. Thanks --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 18:57, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

TRUTH ABOUT THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT

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The PKK have only done what has been done to them and their brothers!

Kurdistan should not be mistaken for a terrorist group

Nobody is denying the fact that PKK has been a terrorist group. But one cannot equate the complex ethno-cultural Kurdish question with just one political group like that. If you have information about the atrocities of the PKK, then contribute to the page, not complain. Not all Kurds are seeking their rights through violence. People like Leyla Zana prefer a more peaceful and positive struggle. On the other hand, let's not forget that the Turkish security forces are not also totally innocent. Thousands of Kurdish villages in south-eastern Turkey have been razed to the ground by them in the 90's. However, bit by bit the animosity is changing, and people on both sides are realizing it's time to move on. Even Prime minister Erdoğan has acknowledged that the so called Kurdish Problem should be solved in a positive way. This means improving human rights, Cultural rights, more economic development and investment opportunities. The ties with northern Iraq are improving as well. Take a look at this. Improving Bussiness Ties between Turkey and Iraqi Kurds Heja Helweda 17:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

We have a level of agreement. It is imperative this article be improved for that very reason.

I told you what the Turkish Security forces did is standard procedure. There is nothing humane about combat. Security Forces main objective was to elliminate PKK militants. If PKK militants were not hiding in civilian tows and hence violating rules of engagement as established in the Geniva convention, security forces would not have to evacuate people.

It is also very important that this article be strictly about a geographic region where Kurds happen to live and nothing more. I have serious concerns about the flag of a proposed nation apearing on it. I think you will agree. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Forced relocation Standard?!!!

You (Cool Cat) are entitled to your own opinion when you say Forced Relocations are among standard counter terrorism measures, but Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International surley don't agree with your POV. When Israel was battling the wave of suicide bombings, they didn't try to relocate civilian Palestinians and destroy all of their villages. About the comparison with Blacks in America, you are right about the separatism but not Forced relocation. When the Civil Rights Movement led by Martin Luther King, was fighting injustice in U.S. in 60's, the U.S. government didn't try to relocate Blacks from Alabama,Georgia, Louisiana!!! (Even though there were armed groups among them like the one lead by Malcolm X). Your Logic is flawed. Heja Helweda 18:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I am sorry, please discontinue personal referances regarding myself and my logic. I am free to suggest anything here, we are discussing what should and what shouldn't be in the article.

I also ask you to please focus on writing an encyclopedia rather than making coments directed at me.

I am not 'concerned' on what is 'just' or what is 'right' in this article. It is not my place to establish facts. I however care about only relevant material presented in a NPOV manner. Currently this article is poorly organised with too many material related to Kurds maybe but not related to a "Kurdistan" article. Also lots of sections appear to be one sided.

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International has their pov, United States, Turkish Goverment goverment has their pov. Also the PKK have their pov. I do not care about any pov including my pov. I am not here to push pov, if I had such an intention I would not try to discuss the matters. I do have POV but I am not editing the article or sections myself for that reason.

FYI: In world war 2 all japanese were relocated (for being possible japanese spies), prior native Americans were relocated (in which large numbers died). During the American civil rights movement no one was shooting goverment employees either. Malcom X was not sending suicide bombers or was he recieveing guns from the soviets. Never the less malcom X also does not appear on North America. KKK was actively "lynching" non-white/"impure" people. But all of that is off-topic. Lets focus on the article.

--Cool Cat^Talk|@ 18:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Please understand that I am not trying to anger you, but certain things mentioned on this article such as forced relocation did not just happen in that region. I do not find forced relocations normal, but given the circumstances I think that was the right thing to do. The forced relocations caused a lot of problems (and actualy helped spread of terrorism to western cities of Turkey). But I feel that information does not belong to this article with a section of its own. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think otherwise. The deportations is a part of this regions recent history and should indeed be mentioned in this specific article. -- Karl Meier 19:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Deportation is not related to this article. This is not "History of Kurdistan" --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 19:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The history of Kurdistan is not related to this article, Cool Cat? -- Karl Meier 19:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The history of something in my opinion still comes under it however a link to that and a mention in the article is always a good thing. I would like to suggest that it is moved up on the see also list --A dam1213 Talk + 12:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Requested move for page 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava', 18 January 2015

Hi!

I'm inviting editors to participate in the discussion to move the article 'Syrian Kurdistan' to 'Rojava'. My rationale is: This article is about a region governed by the PYD, which calls the area Rojava. Foreign press also uses this term, for example [17] (BBC) [18] (Guardian) [19] (Independent) [20] (VICE). Other examples on Wikipedia such as Kosovo (not South Serbia), Catalonia (not Catalonian Spain) or Scotland (not Scottish United Kingdom) indicate this article should be called Rojava as per convention. Thanks Genjix (talk) 19:01, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Reliable source for al-nusra fatwa calling for death of kurds in syria

commenting here, will have reliable source later when I have time. Possible sources

world post column "President Masoud Barzani of Iraqi Kurdistan has pledged protection for Syrian Kurds from al-Nusra, a terrorist organization, which issued a fatwa calling for the killing of Kurdish women and children" - I think this is RS, will add later
worldpost "Al-Nusra Front, Syria's Al-Qaeda affiliate, issued a fatwa condoning the killing of Kurdish women and children"
ITN "A fatwa (edict) has been issued permitting the shedding of the blood of the Kurds and they called from the mosque loudspeakers that the shedding of the Kurdish blood is halal"
Vice "al Nusra Front to declare fatwas against all Kurds" also
israelnationalnews anti-Kurdish rhetoric has reached fever pitch among Arab Islamists, with some mosques issuing fatwas (religious decrees) encouraging the wholesale slaughter of Kurds

Will add line later-- Aronzak (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Flags in the infobox

In the infobox, when mentioning the four main areas of Kurdistan (North, South, East, and West), three of the flags given are the flags of political or military groups. In the case of Syrian Kurdistan, the use of the PYD flag is widespread in the actual region, so that might be justified, but do Turkish Kurds really fly the flag of Koma Civakên Kurdistan and do Iranian Kurds really use the flag of PJAK? Bulbajer (talk) 03:35, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

We have had problems with people messing up the flags on this and related articles. A few people with Kurdish nationalist sympathies can't bear to see the name or the flag of another nation state on this and repeatedly switch articles to using various Kurdish flags and names like "Southern Kurdistan" over more recognised names like "Iraqi Kurdistan". They also prefer to write about Kurdistan as if it was already a nation state as if writing it enough will somehow make it true. I can understand this but we have no choice but to write Wikipedia in terms of currently recognised nation states as anything else is to mislead our readers. Besides, one can't edit reality by editing Wikipedia.

I think those flags are left over from an imperfect reversion of some of these understandable but misconceived edits. More or less the the same thing is going on at the very bottom of the article, although it is not 100% consistent with the flags in the infobox. I think this needs to be changed or reverted use the flags of the nation states involved, or maybe to have no flags at all, and to use the primary names the four articles, not some comforting alternatives. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

As nobody else has said or done anything I have been bold and had a go myself. I am not sure if it is perfect but I think this edit is a step in the right direction: [21]. I think it achieves neutrality by using the primary names of each article (rather than any alternative names that might be conducive to some POVs and not others) and sticks to only using the official flags of recognised nation states. It also returns the box at the bottom to its presumed intended task of locating the subject of the article within its wider context by identifying its neighbours, rather than trying to show its own subregions.

How do we feel about this? Is this, or a tweaked variant of it, something we can agree on and defend against future POV editing or does it need a rethink? --DanielRigal (talk) 23:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2015

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Kurdistan Does not exist and parts of this map is showing my country (turkey) being split. There is a Terrorist group currently murdering people in that region but no country other than Turkey or officially recognised countries. This page is incorrect and offensive as the region shown in South Eastern Turkey is a area where terror group PKK is active and killing Turkish soldiers. Therefore dividing a country that is not divided is incorrect. 2.121.172.222 (talk) 02:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Not done Read the article first. The subject of the article exists and is clearly explained. -- haminoon (talk) 02:36, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Piranshahr

The data about Piranashahr are incorrect. Piranshahr is a small city in eastern Kurdistan,Iran, with a population much less than 100000. Piranshahr is a beautiful city in Kurdistan but there are some other larger and more important cities and issues that must be in this article before Piranshahr. Thanks

Hello! I can't find any reliable sources. Do you have any sources? ~ Zirguezi 21:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion

A move discussion relating to this article is open at Kurdish languages' talk page. Khestwol (talk) 17:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Map

The initial map is not correct and legal, please replace it for previouse true one and protect the article from vandalism Bazrangi (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Ancient name

I don't want to change it alone, but does this article really need seven citations for the ancient name in paragraph 1, of which six are never used anywhere else? 2602:306:32E1:92F0:E81F:4DC0:1246:6C52 (talk) 03:17, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Do they need to be used somewhere else in the article? As long as they have legitimate sources they should stay there I think ~ Zirguezi 20:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Some typos

I am not a registered user and therefore cannot edit, so I request somebody to correct a few typos in the beginning. It says something like "the Iraqi kurd becom autom and they fight the ISIS" It seems as if somebody did this purposely.2601:CF:8100:8250:B9A2:10D:1D56:4C27 (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2015 (UTC)Anonymous

I don't see this. Has this been changed yet? ~ Zirguezi 20:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Ezidxan

Ezidxan shouldn't redirect here - it should be its own entry. Ezidxan is a land for Yezidis specifically, whether they are or are not included as ethnic Kurds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveodinkirk (talk • contribs) 13:43, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I've found the correct redirection, but I don't know how to change it. Ezidxan should redirect to Ezidkhan; it's even described as an alternate name in the article.

Came here too to report this. Does anyone know how to edit redirecting links?--Ermanarich (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm just checking in on this again. Sorry I'm not fluent enough in wiki mark-ups to fix it myself. Steveodinkirk (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I've found a related page and changed the redirect of Ezidxan from Kurdistan to Ezidkhan. I've tried to flesh out the page and add more sources. You can find information about Exidxan there. Super! Steveodinkirk (talk) 09:02, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikiproject Kurdistan banner

Can someone advise as to whether the Wikiproject Kurdistan banner belongs on the main page or on the talk page. A bot removed it from the main page and said it belongs on the talk page, but I'm sure I have seen many articles with project banners on their main page.Jwslubbock (talk) 18:37, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jwslubbock: WikiProject banners are for talk page only use. They should never be placed on the main article page. If you see articles with that please remove them or move them to the talk page. --Majora (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm a novice at using banners. SO. MANY. RULES. --Jwslubbock (talk) 21:47, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

By the way, if anyone is interested, I added to the History of the Kurds article today and an anonymous IP address deleted everything I wrote, saying my source (Izady, a well known writer on Kurdish history) was unreliable. I opened a discussion on the talk page and would appreciate people saying whether they think it's an unfair reversion.--Jwslubbock (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

If the argument is actually that the Kurds can be associated with 7000 year old sites and cultures, then I'd say that Izady doesn't belong there. Doug Weller talk 19:19, 27 February 2017 (UTC)