Talk:Fernand Braudel

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This lists a number of books published after the author was dead! I presume those are the publication dates of the English translations. It would be nice to have the dates of the French originals (presuming, again, that the books were originally written in French).

It would indeed be nice - please add them when you find out. Stan 20:22, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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Paragraph 5 in the Biography section states that Braudel "founded the noted Sixième Section", which is incorrect. It was founded by his mentor Lucien Febvre, while Braudel became its director in 1956 on Febvre's death. Braudel *did* found the Centre des Recherches Historiques (according to their website[1]), in 1949.

Apologies for any formating or other sins, this is my first post ~~AbdabsWD, 30 Jan 2022~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbdabsWD (talk • contribs) 05:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.ehess.fr/fr/centre-recherches-historiques-crh

Ambiguous sentence[edit]

The following sentence needs clarification:

Braudel claims that there are long term cycles in capitalist economy which developed in Europe in 12th century.

  • It is not clear to me whether which developed in Europe in [the] 12th century modifies long-term cycles or capitalist economy. Which is it?
  • Further, did Braudel see capitalist economy as a monolith, or should this be the capitalist economies?

If in both cases the latter is correct, then this sentence needs to be reworded:

Braudel asserts that the capitalist economies that developed in Europe in 12th century {are characterized by}/{have} long-term cycles

Further, the capitalist economies that developed in Europe in [the] 12th century should probably be changed to the capitalist economies that began developing in 12th-century Europe since it is unlikely that the capitalist economies he is talking about completed their development in that timeframe. (Indeed, the subsequent sentences talk about sequential flourishing of economies in several places and times.)

I would also like to change claims to writes because claims is not a neutral term: it can imply that the writer does not accept the assertion, which would be leading the reader (i.e., biased). Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 11:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what does this mean?[edit]

Peculiar sentence. "Not only was he born there to the peril of his parent's summer vacation, but he also lived with his paternal Grandmother for a long time." What could it mean. Did his parents not like the little child during vacation. Was he a danger to their well-being. etc.Brosi 22:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition section[edit]

This section currently reads:

After he had published la Méditerannée, Braudel went into the Bibliothèque Nationale and applied for a library card. He was handed a short form to fill out. Under "Nom," he wrote "BRAUDEL, Fernand"; under "Métier," he wrote "historien." He was turned down. He then wrote The Structures of Ordinary Life.

What? Why is this here? What is it supposed to imply? Apparently "metier" means "trade" or "career". What does rejection of a library card have to do with recognition? What does The Structures of Ordinary Life have to do with anything? 134.53.21.56 (talk) 22:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to change the article so that the point of the story was clear. The pettiness of the bureaucracy he encountered and the lack of respect he was allotted by the establishment supposedly inspired him to write a book about how social structures constrain individuals. The story is well known, but I would still like to see a citation since there are different versions of the story floating around. For example, in some versions he is rejected and then writes the book to get back at the librarian (he was a vain man). In other versions, after he is rejected he changes his stated occupation to sociologist and then writes the book. The story is real, I have read a brief account of it in an article by Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie and R. Howard Bloch (Representations, No. 42, Special Issue: Future Libraries (Spring, 1993), pp. 94-99 - you can find it on jstor), but the details are not provided except on untrustworthy sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.125.49.252 (talk) 16:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1- In 1949 Braudel had been appointed to the highly respected Collège de France. 2- Les structures du quotidien was printed 18 years later. 3- Les structures du quotidien is not about how "petty bureaucracies place limitations" but how every civilization and culture lives within physical and cultural limits. 4- the cite is vague. Nitpyck (talk) 16:48, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sciencs Po[edit]

Was Braudel really an alumnus of Sciences Po. That's not written here http://www.college-de-france.fr/media/ins_dis/UPL28096_necrobraudel.pdf, nor here. So I'll provisionnally delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.94.41.99 (talk) 17:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Picture is gravestone?[edit]

Why is his picture a gravestone? That is just annoying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LastDodo (talk • contribs) 22:34, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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