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Lillebælt[edit]

An alternate terminology could be "Little Belt".

Which seems a little more plausible to me, although I can´t say why. Somebody with an English-language atlas might look this up. Kosebamse 22:53 23 May 2003 (UTC)
My two nominally English atlases only use Danish, but Google knows all - "little belt" + denmark is 10-to-1 more popular than "small belt" + denmark. So I moved it.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Stan Shebs (talk • contribs)

"Little Belt" is the form that conforms to the Danish name. Two of the Danish three Danish straits are named "Storebælt" and "Lillebælt", i.e. the Great Belt and the Little Belt. The two names go together as both of them border Funen. Valentinian T / C 11:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

in the national anthem[edit]

The belt is used in the 1841 written German national anthem, the Deutschlandlied, to define the northern limit of the then German speaking world.

This is a good way to say this. But “Das Lied der Deutschen” became Germany's national anthem not before the year 1922. In 1841, the Germans didn't even have their “national state”. (unification of Germany 1871).

The line is:

From the Adige to the Belt, ...

where Adige is the southern limit of the then German speaking world, and in German, Belt rymes with “Welt”(world).--Schwab7000 (talk) 12:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I´ve rewritten that sentence, as the former text gave the impression that the Duchy of Schleswig was exclusively or primarily German-speaking up to the Little Belt. That was not the case even when Deutschlandlied was composed, e.g. the island of Als and the Sundeved Peninsula were almost exclusively Danish-speaking, and the mainland of Northern Schleswig was also overwhelmingly Danish-speaking, German was widespread also in northern towns, but these towns were generally very small back then. In the area immediately south of the current border in Angel(n), the population was rapidly giving up the Danish language in favour of German, but the language change was not fully completed. In some parts of Central Schleswig, the language change happend after 1890, without fully completing until after World War II.
The inclusion of the Little Belt in the Deutschlandlied [... von der Maas bis an die Memel, von den Etsch bis an den Belt ...] reflects that the Duchy of Schleswig was home to a sizeable population that identified as Germans and who wanted to belong to a new German state, and that the duchy was often perceived as German since it was administered in the German language. However, even when von Fallersleben wrote his text, the people in its northern portion - near the Little Belt - were overwhelmingly Danish-speaking and self-identified as Danes. Valentinian T / C 18:42, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And btw, it was mentioned with the same intention, already in Ernst Moritz Arndt's "Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland?", written 1813. Back then the inclusion of Northern Schleswig was even more dubious, but it is likely that this was the direct inspiration for the inclusion in the Deutschlandlied. Valentinian T / C 08:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Translation complete[edit]

Translated the page from the Danish Wikipedia and added it to the existing content. Also reworded the paragraph about the German song references. Jbvejle (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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