Talk:I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again

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Considering that ITMA now has a page of its own containing all the same information, isn't it about time somebody removed that footnoote? --Paul A, 22 Jan 2003 7:40 (UTC)

Oh, someone has. Well done. --Paul A, 22 Jan 2003 8:10 (UTC)

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Can someone check the veracity of "(except in "The Angus Prune Story" aired on 18 April 1966)" as it was added by 203.97.2.243 who has been vandalising other pages. Tiles 05:40, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The statement about Angus Prune is true. The character appeared only in the one sketch (about a footballer). The early shows did not any words to what later became the Angus Prune tune so I think they were added some time afterward. Anthony Guter

Sir Angus of the Prune (played by Tim Brooke-Taylor) appears in the episode first aired on May 1966. Though, when ummasked during the Robin Hood spoof sketch, he claims to be Sir Angus of the Prune desguised as Robin Hood disguised as Sir Angus of the Prune.

Angus Prune agains appears as a character in an episode repeated on BBC7 on 24-sep-2004 (they completely failed to give any details of then original broadcase date). It's a two-hander with John Cleese as Angus Prune (refered to as Mr Prune for most of the sketch, but definitely Angus as the couple get more intimate) and Jo Kendall (as Ms Bedsock). They start as a very formal (and classic cleese-style pompous and arrogant) company chairman (Cleese) and his personal assistant, but it is revealed that they have been married to each other for 14 years and have children.

Just for the record, "The Angus Prune Story" (the footballer one) is in series 2, episode 6; the "Robin Hood" sketch is in series 2, episode 11; and the "Mr Prune and Miss Bedsock" sketch is in series 3, episode 2. --Paul A 14:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Also just for the record, the sketch referenced above, viz. 'Mr Prune and Miss Bedsock' features David Hatch as Mr Prune and not John Cleese. Nicander 22:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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Re: the very final pargraph, Bill Oddie is from Birmingham, not Yorkshire, as is cited in one episode of the show (Tim's from Buxton! Well Bill Oddie's from Birmingham!) and further evidenced by "Bill Oddie's Little Black Bird Book," published in the late 70s. I'll try to tweak the page. AlecM (I really must register on this thing)

Wrong. He was born in Rochdale but grew up in Birmingham.

Exile 20:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

References?

Good article, but nothing cites references. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AGoon (talk • contribs) .

I have now added a reference regarding the radio programme. Figaro 23:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Good on you! It would be nice if adding references was easier. Perhaps the software could be changed? TDN 20:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Number of Shows?

Can was just do a double check on the number of shows they did. I just bough a CD of 83 Shows, with little fillers telling me where a show is missing, and according to that & also according to the external link labelled as 'Detailed information on I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again' their should be 102 Shows, though this does include the pilot episode and the half-dozen specials, but even if you remove them from the equation it still equalls more than the 86 shows described here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.20.207 (talk) 19:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Have made alerations on this, as I have have just downloaded 105ish episodes which is greater than the 86 that have been mentioned already. Have also changed the date from 'to date' to '1964-73' as this is the proper information. The infomation for my download can be found at http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3647603/I_m_Sorry_I_Haven_t_A_Clue_(ISIHAC)_BBC-Radio though I'm sure it'll be ignored by Wikipedia.

OK, I just checked this (after reverting the page). According to [1], there are 97 episodes, not counting Cambridge Circus. I have no idea what the discrepancies are between whatever you've got and most proper lists I've seen. Also, are you sure this "special" is from 1978? Was it recorded then or just broadcast then? And are you sure it's actually ISIRTA? A torrent list doesn't really prove anything if it can't be backed up by something... Bangdrum (talk) 16:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Got it! Black_Cinderella_Two_Goes_East! Rare certainly, but clearly not ISIRTA as such. That leaves one less "missing" episode to make sense of... Bangdrum (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I have figured it out! There are actually 105 (104 if not including Cambridge Circus). Link above doesn't clearly state it anywhere, but the total number of listed, detailed episodes = 104 + Cambridge Circus. This can largely be backed up with [2], matching the "unplaced" episodes to their proper places in series 3. As such, will put your edit back (minus the 1978 show) with these two links as references. :D Bangdrum (talk) 16:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool. You've got more patience than I have to work all that out :) Thanks

No problem. The joys of editing. :) Bangdrum (talk) 12:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed that the page is still giving the Air Dates as 'to date'. Any idea why that is? (sorry to be a ball breaker) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.39.189 (talk) 12:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed it. I think the template wasn't working. I changed it from "airdates" to "first_aired" and "last_aired". :) Bangdrum (talk) 15:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Pilot show ("Cambridge Circus") aired 30.12.1963. First series of 3 programmes (1964). Seceond series of 9 programmes (1965). Third series of 13 programmes (1966). Fourth series of 14 programmes (1966). Fifth series of 14 programmes (1967). Sixth series of 13 programmes (1968) plus Christmas Special (1968). Seventh series of 13 programmes (1969) plus Christmas Special (1969). Eighth series of 13 programmes (1970) plus New Year's Eve Special (1970). Ninth series of 8 programmes (1973). 25th Anniversary Special brodcast at Christmas 1988. I make that a total of 105 altogether!GARRYHIGH (talk) 20:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed except I wouldn't include Cambridge Circus as an "episode." Mainly because it was largely stuff from the stage show, wasn't originally written for the radio, and retained its own name. I'm not in charge though, so if other people think it should go in, put it in... Bangdrum (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

What that Gibbon?

The song title has been changed to "Stop that Gibbon". I am sure it is "Stuff that Gibbon", but I am not going to go by my own ears. NYDirk (talk) 01:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It is "Stuff the Gibbon". Whilst the song clearly refers to "Polythene gibbon stuffing" I think there can be little doubt Ozzypeely (talk) 18:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Fiftieth Anniversary Episode

Just five years to go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.155.225 (talk) 21:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that'll be less likely with Ol' Hatch gone. :( Bangdrum (talk) 05:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Related article names etc

Please can we discuss the names of the various ISIRTA Plays articles and form a plan for any renames or merging? Original names were like ISIRTA Plays - "F" etc, a few are now renamed to "A" plays - ISIRTA etc. The issues which need to be sorted out include:

• how to structure a name including alphabetical parts?

  quoting the "A" etc make it look as if reliable sources might use this nomenclature or subdivision: I rather doubt that but if so we would need to refer to such a reliable source.

  the reader may be better served if the main subject of the article comes first, as in the originally chosen titles. We have for example ISIRTA Songs too as well as the redirect ISIRTA

  we should have a look at WP:MOS: I think an ndash will be better than a hyphen in the titles and certainly a range of letters should have an ndash: A–E.

• perhaps fewer articles covering a range of letters would be better and make the editorial reason for the division clearer? We can merge if necessary.

In addition:

• The links in the main article should be section links, for example (choosing a play I remember):
  [[ISIRTA Plays - "J"#Jorrocks Memoirs of a Fox Hunting Man|Jorrocks Memoirs of a Fox Hunting Man]].
• (Incidentally, should that not be "Jorrocks' " with a posessive apostrophe afterwards?)
• The links in the navbox should be in a second level list for accessibility and we could lose the quotes there, thus:
  

* ISIRTA Plays:
** [["A" plays - ISIRTA|A]]
** [["B" plays - ISIRTA|B]]

etc.

--Mirokado (talk) 14:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

"A" plays - ISIRTA has now been prodded, so this thread may either be helpful in combatting deletion or moot. It would be quite possible to merge the articles as follows (the comma and letter range provide the clearest title I think:

proposed merges

Title	Entries	Notes
ISIRTA plays, A–C	0022
ISIRTA plays, D–I	0020
ISIRTA plays, J–P	0018
ISIRTA plays, L–R	0023
ISIRTA plays, S–Z	0023	Ending the title with Z will make the set of articles look tidier and complete

However I have now had a look through the current contents, and since they are completely unsourced I am not convinced that it will be possible to stop them being deleted merely by merging. I think I will leave it up to the original author or anyone else to do the merging and improve the contents in any other practicable way, if they wish. --Mirokado (talk) 22:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Figaro for merging A–C. Some points relating to the rename-and-merge:

• Moving the lowest-letter article of each group to the new name is fine. Please move to the name with an endash (as in the table above) as that will avoid a further move to comply with MOS:ENDASH later on. We cam create redirects from the minus-names to the emdash-names once the articles have settled down.
• Looking at the table again, I think the the final range will look tidier if it ends at Z, otherwise the missing letters will look odd in a table of contents or navbox. (Table updated above).

A few points which could be dealt with at the same time:

• Please use the plainlist implementation of the infobox-starring list in the current ISIRTA Plays - "V". This is better for accessibility (people using screenreaders for example).
• Please make sure that the final play section also has an empty-section template if it is empty: some of the current articles are missing that.

The main thing these articles still need is references to reliable sources. The merging will not solve the reference problem. As well as references for the details in the article, it would be very good indeed to find references to reviews, influences on later comedy shows, other forms of legacy and so on which establish some notability for this canon. Anything like that will help establish notability for individual plays or "the plays" as opposed to "the series". --Mirokado (talk) 22:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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Kendall, Brooke-Taylor and female characters

This article asserts that Kendall played all female characters except for Lady Constance. The article at TVTropes, on the other hand, states that Brooke-Taylor played various female characters. Which is correct? Jcejhay (talk) 13:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

From what I remember from listening to the series; Tim Brooke-Taylor did play several female characters but most of them were based on the Lady Constance character. He also played the "Good Fairy" in at least one episode. I'm not sure if that counts :-) --Roly (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Paragraph that generally seems to stray from neutral tone and/or needs citations

This paragraph seems to need work, though I'm not knowledgeable enough about the show to undertake it:

Although earlier BBC radio shows such as Much Binding in the Marsh, Take It From Here, and Beyond Our Ken had conditioned listeners to a mix of music, sketches and jokes in a 30-minute show, and Round the Horne was also doing this, ISIRTA accelerated the transitions, and it certainly seemed more improvised. It was one of those programmes where the listener was unlikely to get all the jokes on first hearing, so would have to listen to the scheduled repeat (or a tape recording) to discover what they had missed. It thus helped prepare the television audience for At Last the 1948 Show, Spike Milligan's Q series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, and The Goodies. It also may have influenced other spoof-based British radio programmes such as Radio Active, On the Hour, The Sunday Format, The News Huddlines, and later Bleak Expectations. Jcejhay (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Spot the Dog

Spot was played by Brooke-Taylor in the serials. Was he played by Oddie in other contexts, as the article implies, or is that a mistake?Jcejhay (talk) 13:34, 8 February 2019 (UTC)