Talk:Covenant (band)

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Untitled[edit]

Oops, I had created Covenant (musical group) when I couldn't find a preexisting article from Covenant. I had since created a disambiguation page (Covenant (disambiguation), pointing to the stub I had created. I'm going to redirect Covenant (musical group) here and fix the disambig to also point here. Should a VfD be put forth for Covenant (musical group) once that's done? - Korpios 02:31, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think it's worth pointing out that this Covenant isn't the only band named Covenant: there's also a German death-metal (or something like that) band by the same name. The article name should probably be altered to reflect this. --01:02, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The German band is known as The Kovenant. --Idont Havaname 04:43, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Kovenant is not even german, they are Norwegian. And for that mater Covenant isn't german either. Ramius V. Schweitzer 19:39, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

I think the article would need a mention of The Kovenant and that Nexus Polaris is not a record of the "real" Covenant. --195.148.191.82 23:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As per discussion on Talk:Assemblage 23 and Category talk:Goth, removing from Category:Goth and adding to List of non-goth musical artists popular within goth subculture. - Korpios 02:08, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Restoring - see Category talk:goth - David Gerard 19:39, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

clean up questiton[edit]

in my opinion, the listing of the singles and EP's is important, though I don't feel it necessary to create files for all the singles and their track listings/lengths. I would assume to go ahead with creating files for the EP's, however, and moving the track listings over. PLEASE ADVISE.

Ramius V. Schweitzer 01:05, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)

It's a complicated matter, but I would say that it's uncessary to place the EPs anywhere. Well, at least that's what I have done in Children of Bodom. The albums are vital, but EPs (specially Covenant's) just contain remixes and things like that. In my opinion, axe it. It's useless clutter. Anyway, are you are going to take the role of the "official" mantainer of Covenant? If you are, congrats. We really need better articles on Scandinavian bands. :) --Sn0wflake 02:13, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, as for official maintainer... no. i started with Covenant becasue it seemed the easiest to 'fix', i really don't listen to them that much, not saying that i wouldn't mind getting more of their stuff. I'm headed over to Depeche Mode next... Ramius V. Schweitzer 02:56, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

To let you guys know, if anyone out there cares :), I will creating files for all the singles and EPs by Covenant. If the list on this page becomes too tedious, we can always start a page called Covenant Discography.The-dissonance-reports 20:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You mean "files" as in articles and not as in audio files, correct? Joshfist 22:35, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

YeahThe-dissonance-reports 00:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be more convenient to make one page listing all the tracks and such rather than have individual pages for everything? A setup like that would likely be more easily browsable and readable. Joshfist 18:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think the standard way to have pages for albums on Wikipedia includes an album pages, with an "album infobox" and an album template in the discussion secion of the article. An example is X Marks the Pedwalk's Drawback (album), the entire chronology of which I've been working on for awhile, but this particular article is nicely detailed!The-dissonance-reports 21:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, and there are some articles about a single song only, but usually those are reserved for very popular songs (i.e., stuff by the Beatles, etc.) Elvis and Celine Dion have their own discography pages, but also individual pages for their albums. I've been working on a similar project with Wumpscut, titled, List of Works by Rudy Ratzinger. Anyway, there is no reason why we cannot have a combination of at least lists and individual album pages, Covenant has enough material to warrant both.The-dissonance-reports 21:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to add: the page you linked for Ratzinger is well done. Joshfist 03:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, your work on the VAC/Bryan page is great! Rudy's page is far from over though, I have to add links to the original albums.The-dissonance-reports 05:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Main image[edit]

Unfortunately, I could not find a larger version of Image:Covenantebm.jpg, so I replaced it for the time being with a sizeable photo that also profiles the band's members. —Joshfist 14:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I like this picture better anyway! (I was the one who uploaded the other one :) The-dissonance-reports 16:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genres[edit]

Menorrhea and I are in dispute over whether Covenant plays EBM or not. I cite two references;

(in Swedish) "synth.nu - Covenant". Retrieved 2006-12-23.
"Covenant - Music at Last.fm". Retrieved 2006-12-23.

Which Menorrhea apparently does not approve of. Third opinion would be valued. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 18:49, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion[edit]

I see no dispute, neither on this talk page, nor on the two editor's talk pages. Please do not post a plea to Wikipedia:Third opinion unless the article's talk page contains a history of the dispute so that a 3rd party may offer an opinion. That said, I will say:

If there are verifiable and trusted sources that classify this band's music as EBM, then it is proper to cite those sources in the article. It may not be proper, however, to write the article as taking the same position as those sources if the sources themselves are disputed. In that case, one would say something like "Covenant's music has been classified as EBM by _______" - in other words, let the article state that the music classification is someone else's opinion, not established fact. =Axlq 22:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The dispute in question shows up through a series of reverts in the article history. Thank you for your help. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 00:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aha. Looking at the edit history, I see that now.

The way I believe the third opinion thing is supposed to work is, a reversion war should first end, and both parties should converse on the talk page (the reversion war can be ended by force if necessary when one party violates the WP:3RR policy). After that, if it then becomes clear that you've reached an impasse on the talk page, then you can invite a third opinion. That way, the neutral volunteer (like me) can review the arguments and offer a more meaningful opinion. Anyway, I can't think of what else I might add; good luck working it out. =Axlq 06:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A bit late on this, but it also depends on what portion of the band's career we're talking about. Their later work is more arguable than their former; it'd be very difficult to argue that Dreams of a Cryotank is anything other than EBM, for example (some of the beats come straight from Front 242). --Delirium (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Der Leiermann[edit]

The article states it is a version of a german "folk song". This is inprecise and misleading, at least for a german reader. The original text is a poem from Wilhelm Müller, which has been set to music by Franz Schubert as part of the poem cycle "Die Winterreise". "folk song" would translate to Volkslied in german, but it is not a Volkslied it is a Kunstlied (art song).

See the article about "Die Winterreise" in german wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterreise And a comparison of Volkslied and Kunstlied (german): http://www.musiklk.de/57schub.htm English article about the differences (which also mentions Winterreise): http://www.lottelehmann.org/artsong/gs/gs_WhatisArtSong.shtml

I think the artical should either provide more of those details or simply call it an old german song. 193.108.157.68 19:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Horst M.[reply]

Changed it in the article. 193.108.157.68 19:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Former female member?[edit]

There was another replacement for Clas Nachmanson touring before Daniel Myer joined the band. Does anyone know who she was and where she came from? --Greycellgreen (talk) 03:03, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Persistant unconstructive date changes[edit]

50.132.49.244 (talk) has spent the past few days repeatedly changing dates in band & musician bio pages, as well as making other unconstructive edits, with no discussion on talk pages and no explanation in the edit note. I have reverted them and attempted to engage this anonymous editor on their own talk page but (s)he persists in making changes, and reverting my reversions. 50.132.49.244 if you're reading this, PLEASE stop these destructive edits and explain what you are trying to do ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]