Talk:Delta Delta Delta

Betsy Boze

Please do not add this person again until sources that pass WP:V and WP:RS have been found. I've removed her twice, both times somebody claims that she can be found in the Delta Delta Delta citation (the link is here), that is not true. I cannot find any sources that back up the fact that she's in Delta Delta Delta, so until somebody adds a different citation that can pass both WP:RS and WP:V (which is not an individuals chapter notable page) please do not add her again. Thank you. --ImmortalGoddezz 22:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I hope that these help.

In the Bonds,

"Delta Love"

Famous Deltas

Tri Delta History—Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaLove (talk • contribs) 15:32, 12 June 2008

Please see my comment above. Individual chapter websites are not reliable sources for content such as this. Since they do not have the reputation for verifying their information as independent newspapers do, and are used for recruitment purposes they cannot be used. I've removed the info once again. --ImmortalGoddezz (t/c) 12:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

So, maybe I'm a little slow, but ...

• Dr. Boze says she was an SMU Tri-Delta / Theta Kappa, and
• I know for a fact that she was, in fact, a third generation Tri-Delta, and
• She was president of two (three, I think!) different Tri Delta Alumnae chapters

AND she was

• State Reference Chairman (Alaska)
• President of the local philanthrophy "Wish Upon a Star" (Shreveport, LA)
• Panhellenic Advisor (LSU Shreveport)
• Chapter Advisor (U of Arkansas)

AND

• Two additional collegiate chapters recognize her as outstanding, distinguished, etc.

then, what, exactly is the problem?

Can you help me understand, here? Are you questioning that: a) She might not actually be a Tri Delta? Wow, that would be quite the ruse, wouldn't it? Or B) That she isn't notble or distinguished?

This isn't Tri Delta's web page, so need not reflect only those that national may (or may not) have selected. The titles used aren't even the same! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaLove (talk • contribs) 22:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Once again see my comment above. Chapter pages are not reliable sources because they are self published and used for recruitment. If you wish to add her back in provide reliable and verifiable sources. An additional note: 'You said' 'she said' 'we said' 'they said' 'I know' 'they know' etc. are not reliable. Please read up on our guidelines here and here. Thanks. --ImmortalGoddezz (t/c) 22:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

So, would you like? Her badge number? Copies of the 1972, 1973 or 1974 SMU yearbooks? There is lot's of stuff out there, including national and chapter directories, even printouts from the national office. She is featured in several articles in the Tri Delta magazine, the Trident. These are, indeed reliable and varifiable (more so than, say references to God!) but they aren't online. I disagree that a collegiate web site is necessarily unreliable. They are carefully monitored by the national office for accuracy!

Seriously, though, I can send you a PDF of National Office's zip code roster for the area to your email address if you would like (I can't post it online because of confidentiality). Would that satisfy you? What email would you like it sent to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.71.233 (talk) 00:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Anything printed by sorority for in house use is not appropriate to use as a source. If you can find something that has been printed for public consumption (newspaper, magazine, interview, etc) then you can add it, but a PDF of National Office's zip code roster, her badge number, chapter directories, etc. are not an acceptable source; they're not verifiable because they're not available to the public. This is all gone over in verifiability and reliable sources guidelines. --ImmortalGoddezz (t/c) 16:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

You are being more than a little obsessive and I really don't understand.

As for verifiable, I completely disagree -- Delta Delta Delta national office records ARE the final and ultimate source for verification! While the printout is not available to the public, anyone can call or write (or yes, probably e-mail) the national office and verify her membership. The policy doesn't say that it has to be verifiable ONLINE ONLY. But you seem to think if it isn't online it isn't sufficient for YOU? And even when it is online, it isn't good enough for YOU? Who do you think YOU are, that ONLY YOU can decide if this woman was a Tri Delta?

There are college yearbooks from at least three universities (PUBLICLY AVAILABLE and verifiable in libraries), dozens of references in magazines and newspapers (that ARE open to and distributed to the public, but if they are online I don't find them), two collegiate web sites, etc.

I've added another link, which is to her personal Facebook page. I'm sure YOU will consider that irrelevant, too, and I normally wouldn't include it. But I see that a personal web page is good enough as the only reference for a tri delta beauty pagaent runner-up! And even less "verifiability" is required of Chi Omegas and other sororities that cite a yearbook page or nothing at all? I can cite pages, but they won't be links -- is that to YOUR satisfaction? Why the hypocricy/double standard? What is the REAL issue here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeltaLove (talk • contribs) 17:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The issue is that Facebook and chapter websites do not pass the reliable source policy, as anybody can put whatever they want on facebook, and collegiate websites are notoriously unreliable. The argument that stuff on the Chi Omega page is allowed to stand doesn't apply here, per WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. If you can find a reliable and verifiable source to corroborate this claim, such as the combination of a national distinguished alumnae list with a news article (again, reliable news, not a student paper) that lists her as an alumna, you've got a case. Otherwise, you're just disrupting. For examples on how to make a good distinguished alumnae/alumni list, check out List of Alpha Kappa Alpha sisters, List of Alpha Phi Omega members, and List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothersJustinm1978 (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Also to note I said as long as it's publically available and within guidelines it can be added in. I've consistently said to look over the guidelines and to add whatever citation is appropriate per those. It does not have to have a website to be on here, I've added plenty of book sources to other lists, but the things you are citing in the article are not reliable, which is why they're removed. Please, once again, look over the guidelines I've continuously linked. --ImmortalGoddezz (t/c) 21:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

References have been added that should satisy any external standard that yes, Dr. Boze really is and was a Tri Delta. Current links include:

• 3 different year's Rotunda yearbook pages references showing her as a Tri Delta (Theta Kappa) at Southern Methodist University from 1972-1974

• 2 Tri Delta collegiate chapter web pages referencing Dr. Boze as a Tri Delta

(yes, they may not be the most reliable, but when you take this as a "body of evidence" it is a piece, and we aren't vetting her for the Supreme Court here!)

• One of several articles about her that appeared in The Trident, Tri Delta's quarterly magazine (there are several, but can't find old copies and only the last year is on line.)

• A link to her Tri Delta page. It is password protected, but other Tri Deltas can see and verify it. It too, adds to the "body of evidence." It would not be possible to create the page without verified Tri Delta credentials.

I did not add her Facebook entry back in that had been previously removed, because it seemed trite compared to the above. But it, too, adds to the body of knowledge. So I really hope that this will put this topic to rest, finally.

(You don't need this many references to get in Tri Delta!)  :-)

DeltaLove (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)Delta LoveDeltaLove (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

WHAT???!!!??? You approved this addition, ImmortalGoddezz? You didn't even ask for a driver's licence, social security number, Birth Certificate, blood and urine sample, fingerprints, DNA test, or dental records! How can we be sure that a 'Betsy Boze' even exists? I mean, Christ, maybe we should add the 'Bear in the Big Blue House' to the list, after all I have video footage of him! If only Wikipedia had a little more bureaucracy, the world would be a much happier place; am I right, people? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.41.9 (talk) 05:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:DONTBEADICK. If you have a problem with finding a reliable source before adding information into an article then take it up at the WP:RS talk page. --ImmortalGoddezz (t/c) 14:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

This issue is long resolved. The Trident references are sufficient, Ms. Boze has her own article, and her name was long ago added to the list of notable members. Jax MN (talk) 18:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Featured on Saturday Night Live

Delta Delta Delta was shown on a skit on Saturday Night Live. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.110.74 (talk) 03:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yes. The sketches with Melanie Hutsell, Siobhan Fallon and Beth Cahill. Maybe I missed this, but there should be some mention of that. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 00:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Greek Life Recruitment Delta Delta Delta, Delta Epsilon Millikin University

Greek Life Recruitment

General Information- Date: January 25-30 2009 Campus: Millikin University Sorority: Delta Delta Delta, Delta Epsilon City: Decatur, Illinois Final total: 16 women

Recruitment Week-

The week was a very long with many parties. The first night of recruitment was an informational meeting for the woman explaining each chapter and how to dress for the following week. The second night, was the first night that the women got to tour all of the chapters and get to know the women from each chapter. This night was also showing what our chapter has to offer through a skit. Tri Delta’s skit is a thirty-year tradition, of A Chorus Line. We show our sisterhood through acting and singing and being goofy. The third night was our Philanthropy night, where we share all of our experiences in raising money as a national organization to St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. The hospital and children are very close to our hearts and we were interested in seeing how the women going through recruitment reacted to our Philanthropy. The last night is our Preference night. This night is a very serious an emotional night. We invited back the women that we thought would best represent our chapter and wear our letters in the right way.

Bid Day- By the end of the week Tri Delta ended up giving sixteen bids to sixteen wonderful women. They were mainly freshman women. The members of the chapter prepared all day for our new members to show up at 4PM on Friday afternoon. Paddles were made, cakes were baked, and the house was decorated for them to come. When they arrived to the house we gave them a warm welcome and did a get to know you game and introduced everyone with year in school, major, and a fun fact about them. The night carried on with dinner from La Gondola and a talent show. The talent show was a wonderful way to interact the new members with the active members in funny dancing and singing. We hired a photographer to come and take an all chapter picture with our bid day shirts on and then they also took pictures of each class. Around 10PM we all put our 80’s gear on and went roller-skating as a chapter. We had the entire rink to ourselves and it was a blast. They played all sorts of different music and then we ended the night with our song “American Pie”. Many of the active members introduced the new members to polar pops and we all ended up back at the Tri Delta house and enjoyed a big sleepover filled with movies and dance parties in our living room.

Conclusion- At the end of the week it was a successful recruitment for Delta Delta Delta. We ended up with wonderful ladies. Not only was it a successful recruitment for our chapter, but as a Panhellenic Council overall. Alpha Chi Omega got 14 new members, and Pi Beta Phi got 16 new members. Overall, 44 women received bids from chapters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cprochnow (talk • contribs) 22:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Tri Delta firsts

I'm deleting this section from the article, but here's some bullet points that may be both source-able and relevant to the history section.

"Tri Delta was the first sorority to:

• write all ritual without the help of men.
• publish a book-length history: A Detailed Record of Delta Delta Delta, 1888–1907.
• hold a national Leadership Conference."

Otherwise, sorority "firsts" are often conflicting and non-encyclopedic, or they may require original research that involves checking the histories of all sororities founded before them. I'm also going to delete information I can't find sources for, or information that's more myth than fact. originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 08:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)