Talk:Northern pike

Pike as Food.

Actually, pike, properly prepared is perfectly edible; I am going to remove the comments about its suitability as a food pro tem. The google for pike + cooking produced 85k + hits and any number of these were recipes. Historically, pike was frequently eaten although it is admittedly nowadays unfashionable and seldom seen. Sjc 10:10, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Pike is more than suitable as food, as it what we eat the most of at my place, here in Canada. The preferred method of cooking it is deepfrying, after it has been cleaned and the bones removed. (That last, no great feat!) Once deepfried, the next thing on the agenda, is to cook french fries and this makes for a meal that blows even the English Style Fish and Chips out of the water! Take it from this author; I have had both, and used to prefer The English Style Fish and Chips: I now prefer and continue to prefer battered deepfried Pike and Chips (French Fries)!!! User:Michael_Reiter — Preceding undated comment added 20:38, 18 April 2005 (UTC)

Of course pike is edible in sense of "not poisonous". :-) I experience that where the fish was caught makes somewhat a difference. Pike that has lived its life in very muddy water has a distinct muddy water fish taste that also carries to perches and roaches but less because they don't live as old. Funny though a burbot from the same water tastes substantially less ill, so maybe it is all in my head. --87.100.232.159 (talk) 10:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Pike is pretty good to eat had an off taste on only once. Perch, Pikeperch and walleye taste a little better though, and are a bit easier on the bones. Here in the Netherlands the great numnber of other anglers makes it a bad idea to take the pike for a meal, because in the densely populated areas pikes tend to be caught several times, so you would spoil the fun of the other anglers, because pike will never grow to the interesting range for sports fishing above 85 centimeter.Viridiflavus (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Pike is too smelly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zephyrshen (talk • contribs) 19:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Other names

In reality the name Northern Pike sticks with many of the nick names mentioned. However, I do not believe I have ever heard of anyone referring to a Northern Pike as a Pickerel. A Pickerel as I know it, is the alternative name for Walleye or Northern Walleye. Pickerel is usually the Canadian version and Walleye the American. As far as the Northern Pike being a tasty dish? Absolutely! After removing the Y bones the Northern Pike is a tasty fish to eat. -- Michael Miller — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.109.226.166 (talk) 23:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been fishing for them for 30 years and the name is common in some parts of England, notably the fens and norfolk broads for small pike. CB 213.121.243.194 14:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Walleye are NOT pickerel nor do they even closely resemeble them in any way. Pickerel are very similar to Northern Pike, usually much smaller. Also, does "Pike are very slimy and are usually hard to filet. They are also are a stinky fish" really belong in this article?24.97.230.243 (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Pike versus Walleye

Please note that the fish known as pickerel are not walleye. The pickerel is a member of the pike family, or Esocidae. Walleye are often referred to as "Walleye Pike" but this is a misnomer. Walleye, Stizostedion, are members of the perch family. The difference in physical form between the perch family and the pike family is obvious.4.227.245.190 19:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Then, why are walleye referred to as yellow pickerel in Ontario, Canada? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.138.249 (talk • contribs) 21:51:06, November 19, 2007 (UTC)

Who knows? Why do we drive on the parkway and park in the driveway? Pickerel, by definition, means little pike. The name is most properly applied to two species, the American pickerel and the chain pickerel. Interestingly, both of these species also exist in Ontario. The American Fisheries Society maintains an official list of fish common names and recognises pickerel only as one of those two species. The official common name of the fish Sander vitreus is the walleye. — Dave (Talk | contribs) 22:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The American pickerel are actually two species - the Redfin pickerel and the Grass pickerel - both rarely get over 10 inches long and are found in small creeks and streams - they behave just like their ravenous larger cousins, though! But they prey on mosquito fish and so on.HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Pike and Canada

Pike are not only rare in in BC. In fact, there are no pike in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick or Prince Edward Island. I am not sure about Newfoundland. I know Virginia is not in Canada but there a good pike population there too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.106.10.215 (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Pike in England

Large pike are not rare at all in the british Isles. There have been numerous captures over 40lbs and a couple of fish this size are caught most seasons. CB 213.121.243.194 14:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The Pike Anglers Club has a page on its website featuring documented and witnessed pike over 40lbs caught in the British Isles click here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esox (talk • contribs) 00:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking more of pikes over 50 lbs/25 kg. Those are still a long way from the lyrical 90 lbs pikes of Buller's books, and compared to record pikes from some other countries, they are fairly small. Luka 01:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

I have assessed this as B Class, although it needs many more in-line citations, and of mid importance, as I feel that it plays a strong role in Canada. Cheers, CP 04:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Pike and U.S.A

I know Virginia is not in Canada but there a good pike population there too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Microterus salmoides (talk • contribs) 21:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Translation Progress

User:Demidov2007/Translations test page shows the Ukrainian translation, and User:SriMesh/Sandbox/Northern Pike the proposed merger between translation and this article. SriMesh | talk 21:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Importance to humans

The section "Importance to humans" states that "Although generally acknowledged as a "sporting" quarry, most anglers release pike they have caught because the flesh is considered bony, especially due to the substantial (epipleural) "Y-bones"." This seems to be based on the practice of anglers in some particular region of the world (the U.S.?). In many countires in Europe, the pike is considered a delicacy, and is most probably not released when caught. For example in Finland pike filléts are sold in supermakets. For many indigenous peoples of northern Russia, for example, the pike is one of most used fish. Maybe someone could fix this, and add a reference explaining where anglers do not prefer to catch pike. --213.139.161.102 (talk) 22:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I think this whole section could be incorporated into other sections of the article. Its information is redundant in places and the section title is awkwardly phrased. 68Kustom (talk) 11:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the reason that section is there is because this article generally follows the outline recommended in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Fishes}}. =Axlq 16:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Cultural references

Ted Hughes wrote a very famous poem about Pike describing their fearsome predatory tendancies. Perhaps it could be mentioned in the habitat section, as in

...Young pike have been found dead from choking on a pike of a similar size, an observation referred to by the renowned English poet Ted Hughes in his poem 'Pike'.

[[1]] the link. I've no idea why it doesn't currently feature on Hughes' own WP entry, it's quite a well known poem. I'd add the edit myself but I'm a newbie who hasn't worked out how to properly edit references yet. Traveller palm (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, well no objections so I've put it in, but the text in the 'habitat' section overlaps the picture a bit now. Perhaps a cleverer person able to shunt photos about could tidy that up? Traveller palm (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The picture placement looks fine to me. =Axlq 03:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The map is wrong

it shows south central alaska as being within the native habitat of the northern pike, however below the mountains was a no pike area until the 1950's when they were stocked by anglers. Being stocked does not make something native. [2] --209.124.134.3 (talk) 08:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Esox

I don't understand why this entry is not harmonized with the entry for Esox --Statprof (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Not sure where to mention this but the article currently defines Esox lucius as meaning "pitiless water-wolf" and provides a website citation. Its wrong though. Esox probably just means "fish"(look up the separate article on the genus esox ). Lucius is related to lucifier or luz and means light or shiny (look up the article on lucius ). So as awesome as being a pitiless waterwolf might be, its actually just a shiny fish. I've never really edited wikipedia so I don't know how to go about it but I thought I would point it out here and one of you who know can fix it. -Riley R — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.179.207.208 (talk) 14:33, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

References

Southern pike

New species. See [3]. Bob the WikipediaN ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Northern

This article should have more on the North American "Northern Pike," a widespread and numerous game fish in the northern U.S. and Canada. Sca (talk) 23:30, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Behavioral Ecology

Hi, I am a student at Washington University in St. Louis and I added to this article behavioral details to the pike. While there were a few behavior notes dispersed throughout the wikipage, I took the liberty to add in more minute details and other such information that was not yet put into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liu.alexander (talk • contribs) 04:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Good job! I think "aggressiveness" is too general for section title, and since most of the "aggressiveness" section is focused on cannibalism, cannibalism would be a good title for the section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hami910311 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Peer Reviews/New Edits

This is a great start to your article! I noticed initially that you did have a lot of grammatical mistakes, your article sounded more liked a compilation of notes, rather than an article. I made the word “pike” plural, and change around a lot of the sentences. In addition, you use the transition “as such” a lot, which does not really make much sense, so I deleted or changed it around to prevent confusion of the reader. I separated the aggressiveness section into three paragraphs, rather than one. I also made some words hyperlinks: sit-and-wait, breeding, offspring, spawning. One recommendation that I have are to really look at what the article already has before adding another section. There was already a reproduction section and habitat section, you may be could have just added to those rather than adding a whole new section under behavior. In addition, you should try to avoid long paragraphs. It is confusing for the reader to find needed information. I separated what I thought needed to be separated into paragraphs, but make sure there is not another paragraph that is too long. Gseehra123 (talk) 23:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I proofread a good deal of your article for minor grammatical errors, as many of the concepts were concise and lucid. I think that providing a clarification on the relationship between aggression and the pike 2:1 sex ratio would be helpful. However, your description of the increase in aggression when food resources are scarce makes sense. As I proceed through you article, I made note of the fact that you cited your sources appropriately, and I never felt that you were making claimed that were not rooted by scholarly supported. In your “physical behavior traits section,” I was found your description of the pike’s “fast start” behavior fascinating. I think that it would be helpful to add other descriptions of physical behavioral trait; maybe you could tie the fast start behavior to activity that occurs after the rapid movement, during which the pike captures and consumes its prey. Besides making a few minor grammatical corrections in this section, I did not feel the need to make dramatic modifications of the material. Your careful addition of two distinct images enhances the readability of the article, displaying both the pike’s morphology and his habitual interaction. Perhaps, you could supplement the article with an image displaying the pike’s interaction with other species within its group in order to exemplify an aspect of the specie’s behavior. I found you article to nonetheless be detailed, yet comprehensible for reader’s of various backgrounds. --Gschalet (talk) 01:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

New Edit

• Be careful with clarity and grammar. For example: “She (the majority of all pikes over 8 kg or 18 lb are females) was 147 cm (58 in) long and weighed 31 kg (68 lb).” It is unclear with “she”, you should rephrase this sentence.
• The description sections is really great and detailed!
• Again be clear and concise in the behavior section. A lot of sentences are too long and convoluted, really try to be straight to the point.
• You can add more links like maybe “tree structure habitat” or “daphnia”. Also you have something hyperlinked, but it is red, meaning there is no page related to that topic (Pike Anglers Club)
• Overall, great improvement from the last time!! I see a lot of changes and addition of sections. Since you have multiple reproduction and habitat sections (under different headings), make sure you are not repeating information. Gseehra123 (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Record pike

... the IGFA recognizes a 25 kg (55 lb) pike caught by Lothar Louis in Lake of Grefeern, Germany, on October 16, 1986 as the all-tackle world record northern pike.

— Grefeern is not a usual German place-name formation, and I was unable to find any listing for such a town on English or German Wiki, or via Google Maps. There is a place on the Rhine in SW Germany (opposite France) called Greffern [4], but there doesn't appear to be a "Lake of Greffern" (in German, Greffernsee) nearby.

Perhaps this fish was caught in the Rhine at Greffern? (The German Wiki article about the northern pike [5] doesn't mention it.) Sca (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Northern pike/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Recently, I used information from this site in an article which proved to be inaccurate. In the state of Maine, it is not required, by law, to cut off the head of the northern pike once it has been caught, according to Dennis McNeish, fisheries management supervisor for the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife. Please update the article to indicate that. Thanks Roland Hallee Managing editor The Town Line newspaper So. China Maine

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To Breed or Not To Breed?

I know little or nothing about pike and not much more about fish in general but I noticed something that confused me on a logical level. This page states that hybrid Tiger Muskellunge females are often fertile, and even provides a source. However, two linked pages - for the Tiger Muskellunge and the True Muskellunge - state that Tiger Muskellunges are almost always or always sterile, one of the pages even stating that Tiger females might try to clear space for eggs in a futile gesture. The problem might be with the other pages so someone with more pescatory pedagogy than I might want to step in and settle the issue. RobotBoy66 (talk) 09:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Known as "pike" in Eastern Europe?

Wiktionary says different. T 84.208.86.134 (talk) 21:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)