Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nation of Islam anti-semitism vote 2

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This page is an archive of the discussion surrounding the proposed deletion of the page entitled Nation of Islam anti-semitism.

This page is kept as an historic record.

Consensus was not reached, so the article was kept.

Nation of Islam anti-semitism[edit]

Note: the page is now at Nation of Islam and anti-semitism, apparently in an attempt to be a slightly more POV title. The redirect at the old title has now been deleted as POV.

Nation of Islam anti-semitism was redirected to Louis Farrakhan. The page was then added to Wikipedia:redirects for deletion. According to Rossami, the content has been fully merged into the "Louis Farrakhan" article. Nation of Islam anti-semitism was the subject of a deletion debate where credible arguments were raised that the title reflected an unfixable POV that was inappropriate for Wikipedia. The edit history of the article has already been cut-and-pasted into the Farrakhan discussion page in order to satisfy GFDL.

I do not believe that we should be just deleting this via redirects for deletion. I have reverted the redirect, as this in itself is POV, and now ask the community whether they believe we should delete this article due to the fact that its name is POV. - Ta bu shi da yu 00:08, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • It's difficult to tell -- does the title, in your opinion, necessarily connotate that NoI *is* anti-semetic, or does it suggest the possibility of their anti-semitism as the topic for the article? Would it matter if NoI openly said it was anti-semitic? Not sure about any of these questions for now. --Improv 17:34, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. If some think the title is not neutral, an alternative title could be Nation of Islam and anti-semitism. As for the contents, given their history and the quotations (BTW, not only Farrakhan's), I can fully understand if it makes someone uncomfortable. By simply removing the article the problem will not go away. Of course, we need to report it from NPOV. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 23:50, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and/or Redirect, this hate should NOT be covered-up. IZAK 04:35, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Redirect and cleanup. Still very POV, but salvageable--[[User:Plato|Comrade Nick @)---^--]] 10:35, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete and Merge with Nation of Islam, also needs a lot of cleanup and NPOV - --Cyprus2k1 10:39, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Yes, it could use some cleanup, and some balance (if there is any, I'm not 'au courant' on the details of this issue), but to the extent that these are accurate quotations of what was really said, it would be really wrong to delete them because they are offensive. We aren't in the business of protecting people from themselves. If they said these things, that is important and worth noting. Noel (talk) 18:10, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue or the deletion should be placed on other relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.

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