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Misc[edit]

Is this the same John Dickinson who wrote the Olive Branch Petition in 1775 ? -- 64.229.205.2 8 July 2005 15:50 (UTC)

Yes, he is the same author of that petition.Patent.drafter (talk) 16:47, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am a student at Dickinson College, named for John Dickinson. There is much talk around the campus history departments cocerning Dickinson's birthdate, and it is generally agreed to have occurred on the second.

John Dickinson[edit]

What did Dickinson fear would happen if the Townshend duties were collected?

According to Dickinson, what was the “dangerous innovation” in the Townshend duties, which were designed to impose duties on trade?

"As a result the family was enormously wealthy wierdos"?[edit]

The following line does not look up to the usual Wikipedia standards.

"As a result the family was enormously wealthy wierdos."

Bill_Starr (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC) Hi!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.126.84 (talk) 15:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth?[edit]

There seems to be some debate about the actual date of Dickinson's birth. Some sources say November 2, some say the 13th, some even say December. I've edited the article to a more "born in November 1932". Wkharrisjr (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Both these dates refer to the same day, in the Julian and the Gregorian calendars (Maryland, along with Britain and the other colonies, used the Julian calendar up to 1752). This was noted in January 2013 (see here), but was changed for no obvious reason in October 2016 (here). So I've corrected it, and edited it to give both dates again. I trust everyone is OK with that.. Moonraker12 (talk) 00:35, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes vs. References[edit]

I added a citation/note for the statement that Dickinson was elected as President of Delaware in 1781 "nearly unamimous[ly.]" I also added an entry in the bibliography/references section.

What is the distinction between Notes and References? Should all notes refer to a corresponding entry in the bibliography/Reference section? I realize this is not specific to this article, but if someone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.

SeanMon (talk) 08:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, I think the References section should be alphabetized by authors' last names. SeanMon (talk) 08:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Zeeter (talk) 18:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC) Edited the John and Mary's College section. John and Mary's/Dickinson College is neither the first University in the country nor the first college. That goes to the University of Pennsylvania (first university) and Harvard University (first college, later a university but after Penn's status as a university). Frankly, Dickinson doesn't even make the discussion list of first colleges or university.[reply]

Move request to 'John Dickinson'[edit]

Dickinson's prominence should be enough to have the name directed to this page. There is a disamb. in place now, which is where the name feeds to, but if the 'top' direction is kept then there shouldn't be a problem code-wise. Thoughts? Thanks. Randy Kryn 23:40 9 February, 2015 (UTC)

The current disambiguation is horrible. 216.8.131.43 (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems okay, except that this John Dickinson should be the primary topic. A formal requested move is probably the way to go. Randy Kryn 22:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that "(Pennsylvania and Delaware)" is a bizarre disambiguation for a person. Please propose a move. 216.8.131.43 (talk) 13:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 May 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. There's consensus that this subject is the primary topic of the name. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– John Dickinson the founding father is far more notable and significant than any other "John Dickinson" on Wikipedia, and is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. John Dickinson the founding father has great enduring significance and gets the most views, so he is most likely to be sought when the reader searches up John Dickinson, not disambiguation. I see this was proposed above, but it did not happen because a formal move request was never opened. @Randy Kryn: any thoughts/reason why? Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 02:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, based on the Page View Statistics, which are pretty convincing.--JOJ ^Hutton 03:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose have to say it's a common name which isn't recognisable without context. Notifications for this RM should go on all the affected articles: In ictu oculi (talk) 08:05, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
John Dean Dickinson (1767–1841), lawyer and U.S. Representative from New York
John Dickinson (inventor) (1782–1869), founder of the paper mills at Apsley and Nash Mills in Hertfordshire, England
John Dickinson (judge) (1806–1882), judge and politician in colonial New South Wales
John Dickinson (bishop) (1901–1993), Assistant English Bishop of Melanesia
John Dickinson (rugby league) (born 1934), rugby league footballer of the 1950s for England, and St Helens RLFC
John Dickinson (author) (born 1962), English author of young adult novels

yes IIO we get it other people have this name. There's no need to paste the DAB page like this in discussions. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Supportper the pageviews and significance, clearly the primary topic. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per primary topic and lasting significance. Dickinson is a major U.S. founding father and had a direct role in many founding events. Another page that should have a primary topic name change is Robert Morris (financier), another major founder who likely has primary topic status. Randy Kryn 20:14, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per page views and search results. SSTflyer 08:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.