Talk:Pope John VIII

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What is this evidence?

There should be a source citing the "slander" of Legend of Pope Joan rather than it's statement as fact. I have marked this page for NPOV review and/or improvement.64.3.45.46 19:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)MKB[reply]

I rewrote the section about Joan to clarify that most historians believe she is just a legend, as well as to clarify the connection between the legend and the name "Pope John VIII". Does anyone still consider the article NPOV? Egsan Bacon 18:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 02:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC) I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.84.7 (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistency in dating[edit]

This article claims that John VIII became Pope on 872-12-13. Yet the article on Pope Adrian II claims that Adrian's papacy ended with his death on 872-12-14. If somebody could assess which dates are incorrect and correct them, it would be much appreciated. 204.75.169.65 (talk) 00:17, 25 May 2012 (UTC) Anyone ever going to check the date to see if John VIII's papacy began on 872-12-14 or 872-12-13?[reply]

Oy. Also, this article claims that John's papacy ended with his death on 882-12-19, but the article on Pope Marinus I claims that Marinus' papacy started on 882-12-16. 204.75.169.65 (talk) 00:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't entirely correct. This article claims that John died on 882-12-16 and that his papacy ended on 882-12-19, three days after his death. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08423c.htm (the article on John from the Catholic Encyclopedia) states that he died on 882-12-16. It appears from what we've mentioned here that the 882-12-19 date is a typographical error. I'll make the correction. -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 05:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Restoration of Photius[edit]

Pope John VIII had a condition on Photius’s restoration, namely he was to make an apology for his prior usurpation and excommunication. Photius, of course, in keeping with his character, never did that. And since he didn’t, his excommunication was never actually lifted. This means that there was never a need to excommunicate him again as he remained excommunicated. And of course Pope John VIII realizing there was no apology, refused to actually approve of such a council led by someone who remained excommunicated. This of course Dvornik should have noted, but seems to have missed the obvious requirement of repentance as part of Photius’s restoration. The requirement of an apology is cited in The Photian schism. History and Legend, Francis Dvornik,p 173 cited at http://macedonia.kroraina.com/en/fdps/fdps_1.htm#c6

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.34.102.22 (talk) 22:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Madrid quote[edit]

I object to

He appears to have had a very weak personality, even perhaps somewhat effeminate...

effeminate (a deliberately pejorative word which is aiming to stereo-type all women as weak) does not, by default, mean a weak personality.

is wikipedia just here to bolster degrading comments on long-gone mythical persons. Do not have guidelines for using sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.85.21.66 (talk) 19:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Death[edit]

The article without source claims John VIII was killed by his own relative and clerics. The source for that is the annals of the far away monastery in central Germany at Fuld. The annals give the wrong date of his death and are highly suspect as a source, The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions that the story is probably a fable due to its improper dating of his death. I suggest removing that. Pope John VIII (Catholic Encyclopedia)