Talk:Zionist Revisionism
Can we have some discussion here, please? Gady 20:58, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
According to the rules of English language, as I was (probably wrongly) taught at my ESL classes,
- "Zionist Revisionism" is revisionism by Zionists.
- "Revisionist Zionism" is a kind of, a fraction of, Zionism.
Therefore it is incorrect to redirect the terms to each other. It is like to say that "top hat" and "hat top" are the same things. Mikkalai 23:47, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Mikkalai, we are not arguing about grammer. The problem is that there is no such thing as "Zionist revisionism". Nobody refers to himself as such nor do people refer to others as such (outside this dispute). The sole purpose of this title is to equate Jayjg's views with Holocaust denial. This phrase is simply inacceptable in any combination. Gady 00:01, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
What happened to the original page and its history?[edit]
It appears that Zionist revisionists were able to delete it even though VfD failed. --Alberuni 04:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Mikkalai moved it to Zionist revisionism in Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Gady 04:08, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- First of all, there was no consensus agreement in Talk to make such a move and that doesn't explain why the original page Zionist Revisionism was renamed "An editorial by Alberuni" and then deleted with no record of its history or Talk page preserved. If the material was moved to another page, why wasn;tthe original page redirected there? No, what happened was a back door attempt by Zionist revisionists to delete material they wish to censor even though the VfD failed. --Alberuni 04:22, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I moved it to the title because indeed, the bare terms "zionist revisionism" and "revisionist zionism" are used interchangeably as applied to jabotinsky. I am not guilty that zionist revisionists keep turning everything into redirects to whatevr they like. Mikkalai 07:11, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- To Alberuni: it was then moved back to Zionist revisionism in Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and you will find the edit history there.
- Zionist revisionism in Israeli-Palestinian conflict does not appear to contain teh complete or accurate edit history for Zionist Revisionism. The Talk page history has been completely deleted. This attempt at "disappearing" the page and its history is itself an example of Zionist revisionism and improper censorship. --Alberuni 15:26, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Use this link. BTW: some of the early history was merged into Israeli-Palestinian history denial by Ta bu shi da yu. Gady 15:35, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- To Mikkalai: I consider that a direct personal attack, and I expect an apology. Basically, you have equated my views with Holocaust denial, because I am trying to force a merge two similar articles. Gady 11:52, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I considered it a joke, kind of wordplay: izm-izm-izm....Looks funny to me. Sorry, it was silly indeed. As for merging, please explain why you want two different things in one article. Both sides of the conflict are in denial of different things. What puts them in common basket in your opinion? Mikkalai 15:40, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I explained it on the other page. Anyway, if you suggest to split Israeli-Palestinian history denial, probably we should discuss that on that page, no? Gady 16:08, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)