Talk:Latin (disambiguation)

See also Talk:Latin language for discussion of naming and disambiguation issues.

Greek

Should [[Greek]] on this page disambiguate to Greek language or Greece? sannse 10:19 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Good question! I went with Greek language because the "east" included provinces like Egypt and Syria that were Greek-speaking (mostly) but not plausibly part of Greece. Stan 14:14 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

It doesn't really mean the language, it means the culture - the same way that Latin does in the context given. Of the links on the Greek page, Byzantine Empire is probably the closest...but what's wrong with leaving it as a pointer to the disambiguation until a better match appears?

But how do you keep the energetic from trying to fix it then? Byzantime Empire is not quite right, because the "Greek" areas included some outside its rule, and I'm not sure about culture, because different areas had their own cultures. What they had in common was the use of Greek as a lingua franca. It would be nice to have an generic Greek East article to link to, I'd have to study up to write it tho. Stan 16:15 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Would it work to say: "...as opposed to the Greek speaking east"? Maybe that would make it less ambiguous in the absence of an article on the Greek East. Of course, if someone wants to write the article..... :) -- sannse 17:44 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

It would work, but it would be confusing. The very sentence we are looking at is explaining the notion of the Latin West, and pairing that up against the Greek-speaking East would be somewhat weird. The divide wasn't entirely linguistic, anyways, it has to do with various aspects of society, include not least notably the separate forms of Christianity that had developed by the later Middle Ages. Would anything be wrong with simply linking to Greek East, as a pointer for when someone does write the article?

Sounds good to me. In that case I guess we should also have a link to Latin West and an eventual article. Or, if it wouldn't make two articles, is there a general term we can redirect to? Maybe with an explanation of the terms and the political/social/religious implications in that article? sannse 08:18 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)

Romans vs Latins

Would the Latin people differ from the Romans? (anon)

If any of you are interested to discuss the subject, you can come to : http://latin-culture.blogspot.com/ (anon)

Well, eventually "Romans" and "Roman" came to be a matter of citizenship in the Roman empire, not an ethnic group. The Latins were an ethnic group, pre-dating Rome, and not confined to the city of Rome. Alexander 007 09:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Clarification: Latin and Roman were not originally the same thing. Rome was just one of the Latin villages. Of course, as the Roman state grew it incorporated all of Latium, then all of Italy, etc. So it depends on the perspective but, in an encyclopedia where you are going all back to the historical origins of a people, it is a signficant distinction. --Mcorazao 18:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Latin music

Following on from the discussion in editsummaries, eg, I'm still not sure whether we should be including a link to Latin American music here. My train of thought, is that if someone asks "What genre of music is this?" the reply is sometimes going to be "Latin".

I also note, that that article currently begins, "Latin American music, often called simply Latin, is the music of all countries in Latin America ...", although that second fragment was added just a few days ago.[1] It is true though.

For comparable examples: House music is linked at House (disambiguation), and Oldschool jungle and Ragga jungle are linked at Jungle (disambiguation), and Rock music is linked at Rock (disambiguation).

Hence, I believe that Latin American music should be linked from here.

(Tangentially: Related to the editsummary comments, that this is covered at Latins: The word "music" does not currently appear anywhere within that article, so I'm not sure what you meant there.)

Your thoughts? -- Quiddity (talk) 02:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Quiddity.

My train of thought, is that if someone asks "What genre of music is this?" the reply is sometimes going to be "Latin".

No doubt. But that's just a colloquial shortening of "Latin music" in the context of a conversation about music. Similarly, "Latin" could be the answer to the question "What's your favorite food?" Are we going to include links to every use of "Latin" in this colloquial way?

What about other words? Does "Chinese" mean "Chinese food"? Does it also mean "Chinese music"? "Chinese calligraphy", in a conversation about calligraphy? Don't you think one could get away with these shorthands, in context?

I can summarize my argument like this: if someone approached you and said "I love Latin", how'd you know they mean Latin music? I think there's very insufficient basis for asserting that such a widespread understanding of "Latin" as meaning "Latin music" exists for it to be linked here. "Latin" is an adjective that can be used to modify who knows how many nouns, and in the right context, it should not be surprising that "Latin" can be used with nouns omitted without detriment to communication.

What I meant regarding Latins is that that article addresses the fact that "Latin" can also apply to things Latin American and that that should cover it, so it's not necessary to link, here, to specific uses of "Latin" which refer to Latin America.

I should tell you that I'm going to modify that opening sentence at Latin American music so that it reads "also called Latin music". SamEV (talk) 21:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. The word "music" is implied, when someone refers to loving "Latin". But the same goes for "rock" or "house", and we currently disambiguate those music genres at the single word pages. However, it's definitely in the fuzzy/subjective region, and I'm not too bothered either way. I'll leave it up to you, unless other editors join the discussion. :) -- Quiddity (talk) 20:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Very unsure thing. By "Latin", I can pretty much guarantee, people will understand someone to meant the language that is called just that: Latin. SamEV (talk) 07:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Uhm, that is heavily dependent on context. In a conversation about music preferences, "I love Latin" is very unlikely to refer to the language (unless you are just talking about church music, for example, and wish to convey that you enjoy the sound of Ecclesiastical Latin lyrics very much). Quiddity does have a point. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

"Latine" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Latine. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:10, 5 March 2020 (UTC)