Talk:Korean Jindo

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why is this titled Korean Jindo Dog instead of just Jindo Dog? Bouket (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. 진돗개 in English does not mention Korea whatsoever. I will fix it. Jck16 (talk) 13:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Genomic studies of the Jindo dog[edit]

Thank you to a wikipedia user who found the scientific study proving the New Guinea singing dog origin of the Jindo dog. The phylogenetic distinction of Jindos from other domestic dogs is crucial to understanding that they are quite unique in many aspects despite being considered a dog breed. Jck16 (talk) 04:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not origin, related. There is a school of thought that the NGSD/dingo is the original East Asian dog coming out of the Ice Age 11,700 years ago, of which other dogs from the Central Asian steppe have mixed with to form the other well-known East Asian breeds. Thanks for your interest in this dog; it has been left alone for too long. William Harris (talk) 05:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless, they study referenced shows a definite phylogenetic link between the jindo and NGSD/ dingo. Jck16 (talk) 05:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it does, and above is the possible reason why. However, we need more data. We certainly need a whole-genome analysis of the Jindo and not a few short lengths used by Kim back nearly a decade ago, which really tells us nothing other than the Jindo is its own "breed", and that the genes responsible for scenting are different to the boxer - that really isn't revealing much. That study had the opportunity to include other East Asian breeds that the Jindo may have been related to, but chose instead to compare it with European breeds and a couple of breeds originating from Tibet that we can assume they are not related to. Use of a coyote as the out-group was fine, but the specimen that they refer to as a "gray wolf" certainly is not, the lineage leading to the German Shepherd is basal to it, it is a hybrid and should have been removed from the data. As that phylotree stands now, the Jindo's nearest relatives appear to be the Rottweiler and the Neapolitan mastiff, and we know that is incorrect due to lack of more-comparable related breeds in the study. You know that something is incorrect when a Corgi and an Akita sit equally in the same clade together. William Harris (talk) 21:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for this! I have strongly suspected the relationship between the Jindo and the Australian dingo for awhile but could never find the scientific evidence until you posted this study here. Please feel free to edit anything I may write. Unfortunately this indigenous dog just isn't studied scientifically, most information being pet based Jck16 (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks. Given that DNA evidence tells us that the Donggyeongi dog and the Jindo split from an ancestral lineage 900 years ago, it is clearly a Korean indigenous dog without any need for any origin, nor mixing, with dogs brought later by the Mongol or Japanese invasions. The cost of DNA sequencing continues to fall as the technology matures; I am sure the Jindo will be revisited by researchers soon, especially if it has been isolated on an island for some time. William Harris (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you able to edit the title to Jindo (dog)? Korean jindo just doesn't make any sense. Jck16 (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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