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Ranks, rates, and insignia[edit]

Can someone with knowlege of RN officer ranks take a look at the photo with the caption, The Lord High Admiral’s passing out parade at Britannia Royal Naval College in Devon, at https://www.theguardian.com/news/gallery/2021/dec/16/gathering-storm-and-a-sprout-harvest-thursdays-best-photos and amend the Ranks, rates, and insignia paragraph, if required. The cadet ranks are missing and one person in the group has a single ring. 109.148.58.99 (talk) 20:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The cadets in the picture from the Guardian are forming a Guard of Honour. Traditionally the Lord High Admiral’s Division are the best-performing Division in the first term at BRNC Dartmouth. The white “mudguards” on their shoulders indicate that they are still Officer Cadets, and are half way through their training. All Officer Cadets (unless carrying seniority forward eg. previous service as an ex-ranker) are titled as Midshipmen, but have the white mudguard (training tab) to indicate that they have not completed their training and are not yet commissioned.

The single ring you mention is a Sub-Lieutenant - an Officer who has commissioned (hence why he is carrying a sword and not a rifle) and is leading the Guard of Honour but not at the same stage of training as them. I hope this helps! The Beanster (talk) 13:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Scotland[edit]

Kingdom of Scotland should appear in country plainlist. The Royal Navy of Great Britain was formed after the merger of the Royal Navy of England and the Royal Scots Navy in 1707. David eyre (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An alternative approach could be to follow the example on the British Army page, and to start the Country plainlist at 1707. This would not be my preference, as the separate Kingdom of England entry underlines the importance of the Navy as the Senior Service. David eyre (talk) 05:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your justification makes no sense to me. Please await a consensus here to restore Scotland. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 07:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I understand what you mean, I feel that Scotland should not appear. To use the phrasing of History of the Royal Navy (after 1707), the Royal Navy in its current form was the result of merging the Royal Scots Navy into the Royal Navy. This implies that it is a continuation of the pre-1707 Royal Navy and as such, Scotland should not be listed here. Vesuvio14 (talk) 14:45, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but this shouldn't be controversial. If the Royal Scots Navy was merged into the Royal Navy, then obviously the current Royal Navy incorporates the two predecessor navies. The example of the British Army entry has already been cited. The Parliament of Great Britain entry lists the two proceeding Parliaments of England and Scotland. It seems very strange to have information included on this page about the Royal Scots Navy history and its merger with the Royal Navy of England, without including the flag of the Kingdom of Scotland. David eyre (talk) 22:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added reference from 'The Old Scots Navy from 1689 to 1710' published by the Navy Records Society. The author states that the 'the Scots and English navies were united' and refers to an order in council by Queen Anne directing the resulting change of colours on Royal Navy ships. In short, the St George's Cross was replaced by the Union Flag, which includes the Scottish Cross of St Andrew. I think it is clear that placing that flag in the country plainlist is entirely appropriate. I'll wait for a couple of days for further discussion here, before I make that edit. David eyre (talk) 07:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What you seem to be missing is that this article covers the whole history of the Royal Navy as the navy of England, Great Britain, and the UK, while the Royal Scots Navy has its own article. The English Royal Navy was never the Navy of Scotland, so that's misleading. The source you're citing has nothing to do with this issue. Your examples of the British Army and British Parliament are different because those articles do not cover the previous English Army and Parliament of England, as they have their own articles. BilCat (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom, not about the Royal Navy of England. David eyre (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it is. That's what you haven't been getting. BilCat (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Both are essentially one in the same. The Royal Scots Navy became a part of the Royal Navy in 1707. Vesuvio14 (talk) 20:04, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'The Royal Navy (RN) is the United Kingdom's naval warfare force.' This is the first sentence of the article. David eyre (talk) 23:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Royal Scots Navy has its own article. Where is the one about the English Royal Navy? BilCat (talk) 00:03, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Royal_Navy_(before_1707) David eyre (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The name of that article further suggests that they are both the same Royal Navy. Vesuvio14 (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no opinion about this, but suggest sources other than Wikipedia articles are used to forward points. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's an editorial discussion about the scope of a Wikipedia article and the use of a flag. Outside sources are irrelevant. BilCat (talk) 21:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not surprised that you believe outside sources are irrelevant, as I'm the only editor to have cited them in this discussion. David eyre (talk) 09:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Her to His[edit]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Changes following the passing of Elizabeth II. Thanks - wolf 15:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BilCat: "updated links"...? ([1]) All you did was remove stuff, (and still didn't add any sources). Also, if "updating" instead of restoring, why revert? Lastly, I started a discussion at milhist on this, you were and are welcome to join. - wolf 03:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lord High Admiral[edit]

The office of LHA is not vacant, it is occupied by the monarch, until such time they deign to grant it to another holder on their behalf. 46.233.82.202 (talk) 20:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Naval Volunteer Supplementary Reserve[edit]

See https://www.naval-review.com/book-reviews/uncommon-courage-the-yachtsmen-volunteers-of-world-war-ii/ Buckshot06 (talk) 22:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]