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A fact from The Pardoner's Tale appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 April 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the "Pardoner's Prologue and Tale" in Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales is about three revellers who set out to kill Death?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/April.

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I made a redirect from The Pardoner's Tale.

The Pardoner's Tale is not a short story!!!

Hey, this needs to be edited. The reason the pardoner tells the travellers about his sin of greed is to insult them. He tells them "I trick idiots by selling them fake crap." Then tells a story, and tries to sell them stuff. In effect, he says "Only an idiot would buy this stuff, now you're idiots, buy my stuff." He does this due to be adressed as "chum" by the host (which is far too familiar, as opposed to the host's treatment of the knight) as well as being compared to the idiotic miller.

Ok, that's fairly doubtful. Whilst I concede the reasons behind his brutal honesty about his profession towards the other pilgrims is up for debate, it is hardly intended to insult their intelligence. Perhaps he is merely feeding his ego and impressing upon them his great ability for deception in his success as a Pardoner. That would then explain why he attempts to sell his relics at the conclusion of his tale: he is simply caught up in sermon, beginning to believe what he preaches, and in a well practiced manner simply roles into his sales pitch. And in keeping with the essential nature of Chaucer's tales, it is then commenting on quintessential human nature; that we are all capable of this great deception and we begin to believe our own lies. It is clear Chaucer believes that an exemplum (tale with a moral message) can be told by an immoral man. He didn't imply "Only an idiot would buy this stuff, now you're idiots, buy my stuff." Rolloxan (talk) 10:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hey Even consider the possibility that he was trying to brag to his fellow sinful clergymen and meant for his final attempt to sell his crap to them to be a kind of joke? Contrafool 00:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, this is a horrible description of the Pardoner's tale. Whoever wrote this is deserving of the incredible insult the Host gave the Pardoner at the end fuck. I could've written this better without even reading the story. ----badmotherfucker

Authenticity check: A search reveals that the phrase "regarded by many" appears in the text. Is the phrase a symptom of a dubious statement? Could a source be quoted instead? Perhaps the "many" could be identified? Might text be edited to more genuinely reflect specific facts?

Wetman

No, it's an appropriate phrase for a widely-held critical judgment -- and it IS a widely held critical judgment. No question Chaucer's regarded as one of the greats of world lit, and no question that the Pardoner's Tale is on the short-list of his best works (though maybe it's a little off to treat it as a stand-alone). But it's got "treatise on the Astrolabe" and "Complaint to His Purse" pretty soundly beat. Adamdavis 02:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grrr* This gives no summary whatsoever and completely misses the whole point of the Canterbury Tales and Chaucer overall. Bad!

206.212.12.158 21:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References in literature part?[edit]

J.K. Rowling has stated in an interview that her tale of the "three brothers" in book 7 is based partly of off the Pardoner's Tale. Should there be a section breifly mentioning that on this page?--Romulus 18:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the link at Deathly Hallows (objects) is enough. Ichormosquito 03:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!--Romulus 18:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And yet someone's added it to the page nonetheless. I agree; this has no place here. 91.105.45.60 01:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree as well. Consider it re-removed. >_< - ∅ (∅), 10:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.99.235 (talk) 01:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Eve of Reformation?[edit]

This article says that "Because it was written on the eve of the Reformation and Renaissance, it is believed that while it was dangerous to denounce Church practices, Chaucer was able to use subtle literary techniques to convey his message." This just isn't true. Chaucer died in 1400, and may have written the Pardoner's tale anytime after 1387. That's well over a century before the Protestant Reformation began (officially 1517). You might as well say that Chaucer was running a terrible risk, because he wrote it only a century after the 8th crusade (1270). I haven't taken it out, but someone better informed might want to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.65.76 (talk) 10:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely correct. The Reformation claim should be seriously qualified if not edited out entirely. To add to the point, the Refomation did not begin in England until at least 1534 (the year Henry VIII officially broke with the Roman Church), and depending on which revisionist historians you consult, the process of "Reformation" could be understood as taking quite a bit longer in England (see Eamon Duffy for example). Trixi72 (talk) 03:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT?[edit]

Really? All that's here is speculation that he's "sexually deficient." Bit of a stretch by any means. 72.83.108.81 (talk) 15:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC) as of now there is no complete information about pardoners tale plot... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.113.151 (talk) 10:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles questioning the Pardoner's sexuality that hold some weight. I think the points made here about sexual deficiency are weak, and that there is more to be said about whether or not the Pardoner is homosexual. Much of this article is dissapointing and highly speculative. Jpoc1986 (talk) 20:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a source handy for the 'translation' (lost that textbook ages ago), but from the prologue:

"No beard had he, nor ever one should have. As smooth it was as it were new y-shave; I trow he were a gelding or a mare."

The last line means that he's either a eunuch or gay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.94.88.198 (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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