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On a planet, the spawn would grow in the core of the planet, harvesting the DNA of its inhabitants to create an ultimate being, manifested in the game as the "Lavos Core". DNA harvesting? I don't remember that... 152.13.204.128 21:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was mentioned near the end of the game...Lavos influenced the evolutionary path of "all life" on the planet, and Lucca says that it "combined the DNA it found here with it's own."

Of course, there is not clear explanation for how this actually was done...it's ambiguous on how the characters actually know this, and unfortunately the game ends without us having a clear explanation on how Lavos actually had such control over DNA while at the center of the Earth. Ill see if I can find some sites with speculation or research on this.

Oh...and I modified the article a slight bit. If I recall properly, La was "fire", and Vos was "big", not the other way around.

I will add some more about Zeal and the mammon machine in relation to Lavos...at least a reference.

A couple comments:

I'm not sure Lavos lived at the top of death peak, I remember Zeal talking in the future about how Lavos had already devoured all of the world's energy, I just assumed he had left it, I'll have to double check the quotes.

Also, the whole "entity" thing still fits with the plot of Chrono Trigger. I think the hint was that they were created by the planet to show the points of Lavos's interference in history, almost like the planet flashing back over its life before being destroyed. Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross present different interpretations of the story on this point, I'd rather reference both than try to invalidate Chrono Trigger on that point.--BigCow 01:54, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't played either Chrono game...but judging by the article, Lavos has a little in common with Jenova of Final Fantasy VII. Might be worth a mention in the article, especially as both are Square games.

Eh, Jenova came afterwards. Besides, both take elements from the Cthulhu mythos(advanced life-form capable of magic-like feats lands on a planet, hybernates for eons and influences "lesser" beings to do its will).

The fourth bullet of the Extra Information section ends with "killing off the Reptites". Am I missing something, or should this read "killing off the reptiles"? waj 05:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's "Reptites". I added a link to a page that explains what reptites are for clarity. Peaceman 06:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lavos as a Fictional Personification of Evil[edit]

It looks like two anonymous users are going back and forth on this one, it would probably benefit us to move this to the talk page. You could say Lavos is a personification of evil since he has no real personality and can be considered evil in the context of the game, or you can say he's not "pure evil" in the same sense of the villain from earthbound or something similar.--BigCow 21:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, Lavos appears to simply be an organism trying to survive, even if its survival requires the deaths of entire species. There seems to be no intent behind its actions, only a survival instinct, and generally evil is considered an act of volitation. However, I would like to hear the rationale of whoever it is that does regard this character as a personification of evil, as to determine whether or not Lavos in fact does fall into this category.--66.24.224.205 21:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree as well, Lavos is described as an alien organism rather than an incarnation of abstract evil. The category currently has examples like Agent Smith, which is equally shaky, but I'm still not sure Lavos qualifies as evil personified.--BigCow 21:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Evolution of Humans[edit]

Why was it necessary to eliminate the segment which stated that, in Chrono Cross, "dreamstone's part in human evolution is not mentioned"? As far as I know, it isn't. While Chrono Trigger asserts that dreamstone was what caused humans to evolve, Cross does not make any mention of that particular plot device. King Zeal 20:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The former segment, with the word "However", kind of implied that Chrono Cross had something that contradicted Chrono Trigger. This simply isn't the case. Why would Chrono Cross have to mention everything that was mentioned in or happened in Chrono Trigger? Kariteh 13:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ROM Version[edit]

Ok, I have no idea who put the bit on the ROM in there, but it's pretty silly. Emulators are well known to have graphical errors when running a ROM. It doesn't have anything to do with an "implied plot". Unless someone shows some real evidenc of it being real, i vote it stays out of the article. :< Super Pixel Advance 00:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lavos may indeed have somewhat of a characterization and personality?[edit]

In the last two weeks TVTropes used evidence from the scene at the top of Terra Tower from Chrono Cross to argue the idea that Lavos itself is directly speaking to the characters, and thus does indeed have a personality and characterization, and is quite evil at that.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16738556630A78599000&page=1112&fbclid=IwAR0iVlLPbeKDAxXu6BzIm6I3RBgtxVWQngOtotOxjEF1f7PtabgeWBtPbRs#comment-27783

Assuming we agree with their arguments, should this page be updated to reflect this? Speyeker (talk) 16:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If a source somewhere makes an article about it - even if it's GameRant or something - it's viable to put in. If we are simply talking about fan theories that have been posted on forums, then it would fall under user-generated content and not be allowed. Wikipedia can only include direct plot information that is obviously told to the player, rather than theorizing on unclear things. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]